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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 01:35 
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CW last week was spitting fury over this story.

Tricyclist in a National Competition was hit on the A46 near Lacester last September. The incident was seen by TA supports following the competitors. The lady who was hit .. sadly suffered permanent spinal injuries.

The driver was convicted of careless driving, fined £750 and banned for 12 months. Naturally .. the lady wanted

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I would have liked him to have been banned for longer so that he can think about driving with more care and not do this to someone else


Per the TA witnesses . the road was dry.. hardly any traffic.. and per the police at the time.. "conditions and visability were excellent"

The defence argued that his sunglasses may have been a factor in his "not seeing a woman on a tricycle dressed in bright yellow and an orange race number.. " :shock: :?

Why was he not charged with "dangerous driving" was the CW demand?

CPS boss - Warwickshire wrote:

Mr L was driving well within the speed limit There was no suggestion that he was driving dangerously at the time. He was driving properly. But for whatever reason.. he failed to see this tricycle ...


Hmmm...

It is why I would rather the emphasis be placed on COAST and not just the obvious of speed, seat belts, drink... (and indeed the COAST principles do include these .. so the focus is more comprehensive and "inclusive" :wink: (to get the jargon :wink: talk in :wink:)

Must admit though.. find it rather hard to work out how you can miss a tricycle with such a noticeably dressed woman on board though.. :roll:

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In Gear asked how a motorists could miss a trike with a rider who was wearing fluorescent clothes and a bright orange race number - here's some supposition that might give an insight:

I've seen another report on this (here) and AFAICT the incident happened at a roundabout on the A46 at Alcester. This is a busy trunk route that runs under the western edge of the Cotswolds escarpment and is the main route between Birmingham and Evesham.

Most recumbent trikes that I've seen are very low and so easily masked by vegetation, road furniture, and other road users. This was a time trial and the woman competitor would probably be more interested in reducing aerodynamic drag than being seen, and so probably didn't have a safety flag. If it's the roundabout I'm thinking of (by the Travelodge), there are hedges close to the road at the southern exit that would have masked the trike from the driver. He wouldn't have known the trike was there - particularly if he'd come from Alcester itself where a bend in the road hides the roundabout from view until you're almost on top of it.

Edited to add: The motorist hit the trike from behind, from which direction the recumbent seat would have hidden the rider's fluorescent clothing and possibly her race number.

While I have sympathy for all the victims concerned, I had to ask why on earth was a race being held on a busy, open, primary route. For that, I have to ask why any event where there is an incentive to put speed before safety is allowed on open public roads.

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what makes you say it was a recumbent ?


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what makes you say it was a recumbent ?

I didn't say it was a recumbent, I supposed it was a recumbent. IG asked how anyone could miss a trike when the rider was wearing fluorescent clothing, and I offered a supposition.

I don't think that I've ever seen an upright adult trike "in the flesh", but I've seen loads of 'bents. Yet, having searched the 'net and found the photo gallery of the Tricycle Association, I note that most of the competitions are on uprights. So, I'm beginning to suspect that my supposition wasn't entirely valid.

To be honest, I've never been a fan of competitive cycle sport, although I've been into recreational cycling for decades. I'm currently considering a longish exped and I've done a fair bit of looking for a suitable mount. I'm almost convinced that something like the Greenspeed GTE is the way to go. I guess that I got caught up in "recumbent fever" :oops:

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ed_m wrote:
what makes you say it was a recumbent ?

I was wondering the same and even if it was they're not exactly hard to see - especially when they're right in front of you in perfect conditions, unless you happen to be one of those people who can't manage to look further ahead than the end of your own bonnet.


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I don't think that I've ever seen an upright adult trike "in the flesh", but I've seen loads of 'bents. Yet, having searched the 'net and found the photo gallery of the Tricycle Association, I note that most of the competitions are on uprights. So, I'm beginning to suspect that my supposition wasn't entirely valid.


a truly scary website.... not least the 100miles in 4hrs with trispoke wheels :shock: ...why?

willcove wrote:
To be honest, I've never been a fan of competitive cycle sport, although I've been into recreational cycling for decades. I'm currently considering a longish exped and I've done a fair bit of looking for a suitable mount. I'm almost convinced that something like the Greenspeed GTE is the way to go. I guess that I got caught up in "recumbent fever" :oops:


but i'll let you off cos i love bents... if i had the space i'd have one (at least one)


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willcove wrote:
In Gear asked how a motorists could miss a trike with a rider who was wearing fluorescent clothes and a bright orange race number - here's some supposition that might give an insight:

I've seen another report on this (here) and AFAICT the incident happened at a roundabout on the A46 at Alcester. This is a busy trunk route that runs under the western edge of the Cotswolds escarpment and is the main route between Birmingham and Evesham.

Most recumbent trikes that I've seen are very low and so easily masked by vegetation, road furniture, and other road users. This was a time trial and the woman competitor would probably be more interested in reducing aerodynamic drag than being seen, and so probably didn't have a safety flag. If it's the roundabout I'm thinking of (by the Travelodge), there are hedges close to the road at the southern exit that would have masked the trike from the driver. He wouldn't have known the trike was there - particularly if he'd come from Alcester itself where a bend in the road hides the roundabout from view until you're almost on top of it.

Edited to add: The motorist hit the trike from behind, from which direction the recumbent seat would have hidden the rider's fluorescent clothing and possibly her race number.

While I have sympathy for all the victims concerned, I had to ask why on earth was a race being held on a busy, open, primary route. For that, I have to ask why any event where there is an incentive to put speed before safety is allowed on open public roads.


We had the same probs with last year's TOB.. where it was clear a "rolling roads" shut down was not working.

One of the stages took in the Lancs Hills. This is where "willi speedifonly he could" lives and the route went past his house.

Whilst he was delighted at the chance to watch from the comfort of his own home.. taking the day off for this event.. he did pass comment over the naff signing at the time.. and did note that some drivers had to be threatened with the police at one point.

He worried about his neighbours to me I will quote his words with moderation as he did :censored: rather a lot on the phone to me at the time.

willipspeedifonlyhe couldgiven half a chance - as known on some motoring fora in phone call to me over the TOB muppets wrote:


Not kiddin' Muppets the lot of them. :roll: Sign was there for over a week. OK so it was a little yellow one .. but even my youngest noted them and she's only three .. Gawd.. it's been there for past two weeks.. and I've been going on about the race down the pub all summer. You'd think Bert next door would know,, but no,..,.. just as the TOB drivers and the motorbikes past the front window.. good old Bert decided to try to reverse out of his drive and appeared astonsished when told he'd be arrested if he even put the bull bars on that Landy of his past his gat post.. :banghead: I mean .. sign's been outside his house for past fortnight.. you'd think he'd've noticed it.. :hissyfit:

But it is a bit small and it just says "may be closed between 12.00 pm to 13.00 pm in small letters and just tied to the lampost.

This is an important cycling showpiece event. You'd think BIG signs and a CLOSED road .. :banghead: for duration. Not like we are busy busy .. I live in a tiny village .. church, pub, handful of houses and two farms. Heaven help Clitheroe and the other big towns on this stretch .. :banghead:


So.. perhaps partly organisation and some lack of support or even liaison with the police.

There is some good news for 2007 TOB though. Lessons have been learned on each side.. (police say they will work a lot more closely with the organisers of this and close off temporarily the routes accordingly) - and hopefully we will get both the Prologue and London-Canterbury stage of the BIGGY Tour de France and the later 2007 TOB completely right and place Britain FIRMLY on the map for the sport!

Bike races test speed, stamina, determination and endeavour - whether traditional, sportive or speedway style :wink:


For our part.. it does take effort and organisation.. but if we know the route in advance.. then we can police and divert to avoid gridlock and frustrations from road closures.

Let's just say ./. we can eat and enjoy our cakes at cake stops if we work together a lot more . :popcorn: and that applies to CM and other organised rides for whatever reason :wink:

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willipspeedifonlyhe couldgiven half a chance - as known on some motoring fora in phone call to me over the TOB muppets wrote:
:banghead: I mean .. sign's been outside his house for past fortnight.. you'd think he'd've noticed it.. :hissyfit:


:lol:

i help marshall our local (council run) half marathon.

the route is published on the website, in local papers, in local FREE papers.
its pushed heavily on local radio and details of road closure arrangements were discussed with the organiser on air at least once.
signs are up on affected routes for 2 weeks beforehand.
the organiser's number is made available for residents enquiries.
all affected roads have letter drops.
they pay a 'professional' (ahem) traffic management company to come along with truckloads of bollards, signs and a seemingly infinite supply of yellow jacketed marshalls.

...and still people claim no one told them :roll:

i witnessed one guy ranting at a pair of them at one closure f'ing and blinding.. got out, moved the cones... so they put them back in the way and stood in the way... so he drove into them sending the marshall sprawling across his bonnet... unbeleivable.

he claimed he knew nothing about it, despite his neighbours who i was talking to at the time (who were out to support the race) had had letters and knew about it from the papers. :roll:


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He appealed. His ban was reduced to a 9 month ban from the original 12 months.


I cannot understand how the hell he failed to notice the tricyclist in competition colours too. :banghead:

I am sure the C+ lurks and acf lurks are all huddled together and hissing "foul" over this one. I happen to think I might on this occasion join them.

Derisory sentences are handed out to the truly dangerous. (9 months jail for the lout who hit and ran three times..- leaving a five year old permanenty crippled and others also seroiusly ill after an encounter with him .. No licence on each occasion?

GMP served their public well and arrested him. They have also been spat in the face for their brave efforts in apprehending this thug. :furious:

A similar suspended sentence was handed down to another young killer .. aw diddums. :furious: . he cannot do without his cannabis and his wheels despite not being legally entitled to drive. :banghead:

Look.. we do our job. The public expect us to. Both police and public expect the CPS, the magistrates and the judges to do theirs and hit these idiots with a meaningful punishment instead of trying to pander to the peecee do goody two shoes brigade.

The pee cee mob .. scared of handing down real justice.. fail to deliver justice to a fair minded society who do actually care about improving the lot of everyone.. but not at the expense of right and justice versus wrong and malicious.

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