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anton
PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 07:45 
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Is ACPO really exempt from the foi act 2000

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ACPO and the Freedom of Information Act 2000

ACPO is a private company and the Office of the Information Commissioner has confirmed that the Freedom of Information Act does not apply to the Association, since Schedule 1 of the Act does not include a definition which covers ACPO.

Nonetheless, ACPO is very willing to place much of its information in the public domain. Some of this information is already published on this web site, mainly in the section headed ‘Policies’.

What ACPO is unable to do is to respond to requests for information under the Act. The organisation is too small and there are too few members of staff to be able to conduct the necessary research and to compile the responses. Accordingly, ACPO is adopting a policy of responding to requests for information only if it is readily available and can be swiftly transmitted to the inquirer; that implies requests by e-mail to info@acpo.police.uk for single, clearly identified documents which do not contain sensitive material. Other requests for information will be politely refused.

A copy of the ACPO Freedom of Information Manual is attached. It has been drawn up for the guidance of members of the public who are considering making a request for information from a police force.


Association of chief loopholes... or what


ACPO is a private company

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Item Amount Source
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Police Authority Contributions: £735,542 Taxpayer
Home Office Grant: £803,760 Taxpayer
Net surplusses on conferences and seminars: £134,448 Taxpayer
Other Income £1,445,653 ???


From http://www.acpo.police.uk : "The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) is an independent, professionally led strategic body. In the public interest and, in equal and active partnership with Government and the Association of Police Authorities, ACPO leads and coordinates the direction and development of the police service in England, Wales and Northern Ireland."

and: "In times of national need ACPO, on behalf of all chief officers, coordinates the strategic policing response."

In which case, what's the Home Office for???
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It is if you use the full name rather than ACPO:

Name & Registered Office:
THE ASSOCIATION OF CHIEF POLICE OFFICERS OF ENGLAND, WALES AND NORTHERN IRELAND
7TH FLOOR
25 VICTORIA STREET
LONDON
SW1H 0EX
Company No. 03344583


So who funds ACPO?
How can a private company make police policy?
How can this organisation be exempt from the FOI act in all thier work?

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This would be funny if it wasn't so serious - It makes one wonder how many more of these unaccountable organisations are fiddling with our lives...
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I don't know anything about the ACPO, but is it possible that the members are individually empowered to make local policy decisions and are simply collaborating with each other to make sure that their local policies are consistent? I assume that if this was the case, there would be other lines of accountability to ensure that the local policies in each region were consistent with the government's own policies. If the national policies were defined ONLY by the ACPO with no other accountability then I would be worried.

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If ACPO are a private Company, then they can be sued. They would also be outside of the juristiction of the IPCC.
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If ACPO are a private Company, then they can be sued. They would also be outside of the juristiction of the IPCC.


Be interesting to see what the IPCC said about that , as in a complaint that they(ACPO) are failing to act openly or something like that - IS THAT POSSIBLE??

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It is possible that ACPO receives funds from firms who make detection equiptment. However because they are not open to F.O.I requests we will never know. I do not find that situation acceptable. They do have a wholey owned subsiduary who set standards for locks funded by the lock industry.

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Maybe with them being a private company they are open to be sued for 'Misrepresentation' as their 'guidelines' are not always adhered to by the CPOs that drew them up.
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What is their purpose as defined in the articles of incorporation?

If it is a private company who are the directors? Assuming they are senior police officers what is the legal position of police officers acting as company directors?

Do the directors recieved payment?

Do the public and press know about this?

How do they make ther income?

Are they paying tax? If so how much? If so why are they making a 'profit'?

If they are not making a profit is it legal to operate a limited company in such a way as to not make a profit? In doing so are you not simply conducting tax evasion?

ACPO may not be required to answer FOI requests but it's partner the home office certainly does.

An MP should table a question regarding the legal status of ACPO and it's relationship to the Home office.

Do the public know that a private company is making police policy?
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ACPO may not be required to answer FOI requests but it's partner the home office certainly does.

An MP should table a question regarding the legal status of ACPO and it's relationship to the Home office.

Do the public know that a private company is making police policy?

It all seems clear as mud to me :-(
I tried googling "ACPO limited company" and got some interesting parliamentary question/answer stuff (e.g.via Hansard). Perhaps someone with good understanding of parliament, law, companies and legal stuff can piece some of the stuff together. Couldn't find anything more recent than 1998.

For example:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 605w04.htm

5 Jun 1998 : Column: 382

The Association of Chief Police Officers of England, Wales and Northern Ireland is not part of the Home Office, nor is it accountable to the Secretary of State for the Home Department. The appointment of chief officers of police as directors of ACPO is a matter for those chief officers and their police authorities.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 604w07.htm

ACPO Ltd.

Mr. William Ross: To ask the President of the Board of Trade whether the Directors of ACPO Ltd. are being considered for prosecution for non-compliance with the Companies Acts in respect of (a) their appointments as directors of ACPO Ltd. and (b) the contents of their Memorandum and Articles of Association. [44104]

Mr. Ian McCartney: No. As far as Companies House is aware, the requirements of the Companies Act in respect of appointment of directors and Memorandum and Articles have now been met. In this situation Companies House would not consider prosecution. This is on the basis of advice applicable to such situations that it would not be in the public interest to prosecute.

Mr. William Ross: To ask the President of the Board of Trade what steps Companies House have taken to ensure that the directors of ACPO Ltd. comply fully with the disclosure requirements of Companies Act Form 288a. [44103]

Mr. Ian McCartney: Companies House has no information which leads it to the view that the directors of ACPO Ltd. have not now complied fully with the disclosure requirements of Companies Act form 288a. Companies House accepts documents in good faith. If, however, it is brought to notice that information disclosed under section 288 of the Companies Act is in any way inaccurate or incomplete, the directors concerned would be asked to provide corrected information. Failure to do so could lead to consideration of prosecution.


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Name & Registered Office:
ACPO CRIME PREVENTION INITIATIVES LIMITED
7TH FLOOR 25 VICTORIA STREET
LONDON
SW1H 0EX
Company No. 03816000




Status: Active
Date of Incorporation: 29/07/1999

Country of Origin: United Kingdom

Company Type: PRI/LTD BY GUAR/NSC (Private, limited by guarantee, no share capital)
Nature of Business (SIC(03)):
7524 - Public security, law & order
7420 - Architectural, technical consult

Accounting Reference Date: 31/03
Last Accounts Made Up To: 31/03/2006 (FULL)
Next Accounts Due: 31/01/2008
Last Return Made Up To: 29/07/2006
Next Return Due: 26/08/2007


I have a list of Directors which is publicly available but itwould be up to Paul to decide if i am able to post on here.
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I think the "ACPO CRIME PREVENTION INITIATIVES LIMITED" is separate, and give "awards" for secured car parking service etc.

edit: Yes:

http://www.securedbydesign.com/about/index.aspx

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Well spotted :lol:
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even better the secured by design website can't convert from metric to imperial correctly
Secured by Design wrote:
Wooden doors should be solid and at least 44mm (1 ") thick. Check that the frame is well fixed, and if weak or rotten replace it.


i hope it is only a web design fault...
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