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Not all all, but with all due respect, one can't really compare Sevenoaks with St Asaph, which lies in the lovely Vale of Clywd and is relatively unscathed by industrialisation and commuter belt spread.

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I know Gizmo. I thought I'd pull the hull thread one more time, but any more and I'd go under. I've got Richard C, millsee and r11co on my back, and it is getting out of hand.

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basingwerk wrote:


I so I can comment about Sevenoaks, even though I don't have the credentials according to your definitions?

I have never compared Sevenoaks to St Asaph.
If you are going to be a Troll at least be consistant.

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No, they are not. Deaths are up, ( despite Arrive Alive's lies) DD is up and driving standards have plummeted. Most North Walian drivers, having had their first unpleasant surprise of an NIP react by driving 10 or 15 mile/h below the limit and using all of the observation on trying to spot the well concealed scamera vans above all else. In the last 18 months driving here has become a much less pleasant experience.

Trying to figure out where you are coming from, basingwerk, is a challenge. You do argue from several standpoints at once. Connahs Quay and the other coast road towns have been a traffic bottleneck for 30 years at least. ( I can't think of any roads that I would call a deathtrap though )

But the modern world is driven by economic competition and production requires communication - good communication. 5 of my colleagues are today overseas and I will be in China next week on business. However this economic progress looks at a world level , you and I and the rest of us depend on its success at a national, company and family level to keep up living standards and maintain our families. I for one have little faith in our National or European politicians to come up with a proper plan that addresses sustainable regional economies. We have not even got a National Transport Policy or Energy Policy. Use of nasty-minded obstruction techniques and pandering to noisy single issue groups in place of constructive policies is what we have.

In the absence of an overall policy it is not up to you to suggest that the inhabitants of any area should be denied a communication infrastructure and reasonable employment opportunities simply to freeze the aesthetics of an area at some given time for the occasional and selfish benefit of outsiders. And as far as North Wales goes, much of the East-West traffic is as a result of Eire's rather better economic progress than the UK.

Hm.. are you stuck? Perhaps you don't know much about St Asaph after all, and can't comment on it's road system, eh? Come on, at last you have to admit it r11co, you’re just making trouble, aren’t you, you naughty, naughty person?'quote'

I've got it! berserk's a woman, not brunstrom! Only women use the word naughty twice in succession!

It is spelled "consistent". When you are calling someone a troll, use the spell checker.

PS - you can always edit it, with the edit button.

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I have to admit that places that are already screwed cannot be saved. But surely we can halt this before it ruins every corner. I was in the Greenfield Valley a few months back, and it is really great that they have pulled down all the old ruins and set it back some way towards how it should be. BTW - they have a speed camera at the bottom near the high bridge. Anyway, gotta go now, supper's ready.

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Not angry at all pal. Simply exasperated that chumps like you spout off with no foundation to your ignorant and quite frankly, stupid claims.

Take some time to read back through some of my posts, answer my questions and you may (MAY) find yourself coming out of this with a modicum of respect, rather than discussing the new colour of the bryn. Otherwise, you have ended up as a quite pathetic and ridiculous old man with no respect and no dignity.

"Status quo". "Wouldn't serve Denbigh if it was up to me"

sheesh

(ooh, and county council officers are not civil servants - another ignorant mistake )

You stayed up until after midnight and then respond with this! You have said it all before. Are you running out of bile?

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OK, I'll answer all your questions, millsee. I'll review the thread over the weekend and let you know. I'm a bit busy today editing some molecular dynamics routines, which are supposed to preprocess a large database of drug-like molecules on our supercomputer, but it's failing somewhere inside and I've got to get to the bottom of it. Make sure you don't steal any more bits from the cathedral until I post my response. Just kidding.

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Waiting..................

No, it's no good. There's too much bile. Run your stuff through this perl script and it will clear up your drivel.

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Now you really are disappearing up your own orifice BW. Excuse us if we don't follow you.

The solution to all these bye-pass problems where traffic is choking a pleasant town would seem to be to build the bye pass. However, as faster bigger roads simply encourage more traffic then build the bye pass to the same specification as the existing road. So instead of pedestrians, schools and children being used to calm the traffic place concrete obstructions, pedestrian crossings without pedestrians and deliberately narrow the roads so there is no advantage to the motorist but every advantage to the town dweller.

Those who choose to spend their lives sitting in traffic jams may continue to persue their favorite pastime without disturbing the rest of us.

Everyone's happy!

That really is the daftest suggestion! If there's no advantage to using the bypass, then why would traffic use the bypass? I'd drive through the town every single time to avoid the obstructions on the bypass.

The underlying premise that "road cause traffic" is pretty daft too, although I agree that the view is commonly held.

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Deliberately spending public money on something that is expected to have no use? I'm sure the local council tax payers would be thrilled.

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St. Asaph is a pleasant city, and bigger roads certainly will bring more industrial despoliation into the vale. Even the mini roundabout I have been on about has noticeably increased truck traffic, according to my spy. When people grumble about it, they get shouted down in a hail of bile from a local council employee.

It seems that the majority of local people want a bypass to be built to the west of St Asaph, and one of the most common reasons for this is that it straightens out the dangerous S bends near Bont yr Allt Goch. The plan, written by Philip Brelsford, would not result necessarily in a road "up the beautful (sic) Elwy valley", indeed a by-pass is in the plan to cross the valley near the S bends and take care of them. Of course, such a solution would divert much traffic around St Asaph itself, including shops and some kind of “shopping-outlet” business near the Thatched Cottage. An alternative plan to merely upgrade the existing road and renew the bridge has also been put forward.

The plan has not been acted upon, as far as I know, so a cheap and disgraceful stop gap measure, involving the removal of a section of the cathedral grounds, including ancient graves and several trees, has been done.



r11co is using the royal 'we'! But at least I don’t have to use the BileTranslator.pl on his material!

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[quote="Gatsobait"][quote="George Painter"]...pedestrian crossings without pedestrians...[/quote]Deliberately spending public money on something that is expected to have no use? I'm sure the local council tax payers would be thrilled. [/quote]

Why should they be bothered? It would be paid for by those who enjoy sitting in traffic jams - through higher more realistic fuel duty.

The people who earn their livings from them for a start. The people who supply the ice cream machines and mixes, the mini fryers and grills, and associated products - including the saladdy garnish.... Which you should all eat and not discard as it helps your metabolism ...

Ooe- er basingmate will tell lecture me about dangers of cholesterol and obesity...

Little of what you fancy every now and then,.... (and that includes the odd blat )

Basingmate... at height of FMD our local businesses were literally crumbling to dust because of the lack of trade.

Like Wales, we rely on our tourists to spend a night or two in a B&B, visit our chip shops, restaurants, gourmet shops (there is a really good one in Keswick .... can recommend it actually - Wildy buys most of her chocolates there ) but it suffered badly from the lack of business as did the local markets and other shops around here.

If you make people feel that they are in danger of losing their licence for 4 marginal overspeeds on unfamiliar roads - at the points where speed limits change.... and Wales is notorious for this ... then people simply will not visit and people will end up with ruined businesses. Heck - they have enough to worry about with the weather here....

Hear that visits to Bodnant's laburnum arch were down slightly this year - perhaps due to weather and perhaps due to speed cams putting them off.


Dodgy practices occur here - but in fairness - the prize chump in charge here is not quite as bad as the weird one in Wales....

Not according to their own figures....and what the local NHS logs going through A&E there... Low impact injuries which have caused some serious damage in clots, whiplash....

If that happened .. somehow do not think I would be reading about insurgents in Iraq in my newspaper