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Ah yes, North Wales was wonderful before they improved the A55, with appalling chronic congestion through the centres of St Asaph, Abergele, Colwyn Bay and Conway. Would it really be better to have all that traffic choking the narrow streets of Conway?

The A55 has dramatically improved communications in that part of the world. It also forms part of a strategic route to Ireland.

Perhaps you think North Wales was spoilt by Robert Stephenson building the Chester & Holyhead Railway with all those intrusive bridges and tunnels. Or Telford ruined the peace of Snowdonia by building what is now the A5?

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St. Asaph? Are we talking about the same St. Asaph?

The one with the access to the Business Park directly off the high standard A55, that grade-separated interchange that I designed?

As for the road "up the Elwy valley", that is a mere pipe dream - a proposal put forward to satisfy councillors who were concerned about the impac tof potential improvements to the Bryn Dinas junction on the cathederal.

You know, those improvement that were finished last year.

I suppose you can't believe everything you read on the internet

Edites to say: where on earth is he A14? It's not in North Wales.

These horrid (I hesitate to use the word) improvements have blighted the grounds of the Cathedral, for God's sake! And they attract yet more heavy goods traffic through the city.



It is part of the bigger picture -

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Yes, it would be if it means I have to take a detour to get to the Crooked Horn in Brynford, or if I have to cross a four lane highway to take my dog on the moors, yes, it's a bloody inconvenience. It's OK for you, Lancashire is already knackered. But Wales hasn't gone to pot yet, and we want to keep it that way. At least when the roads were congested, speeders were frustrated.

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Blimey. The roundabout nicked the corner off the cathederal grounds. Hardly anything really. Blighted

At least the HGVs won't get stuck on the Bryn any more, and they can come off the A55 at the bottom of Rhuallt Hill, rather than having to negotiate the High Street. Hence, have REDUCED HGVs along the High Street. (Source: my parents who own a shop on the High Street).

i.e. through another narrow, winding road.



And increased them next to the primary school AND the secondary school, and the hospital and Bishops Walk housing estate and (most importantly) the Bryn Dinas pub. I can't imagine where they recruit thier planners. All they do is open up more routes to heavy trucks.

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The "narrow winding road" was realigned as far as possible for HGVs until you get to the parked cars outside the old coal yard - are you suggesting parking restrictions there? I hope not for economic reasons.

The primary and secondary school you emotively mention (*won't SOMEBODY think of the children* ) are AFTER the new roundabout at the cathederal. The only way to avoid them would be up the S-bends on the lower Denbigh Road (WHOLLY unsuitable) or a new road up the "beautful Elwy valley".

What evidence do you have that HGV flows have increased on the Upper Denbigh Road? There are no permanent counters down there. Either prove or withdraw your claim.

Fundamentally, I really don't understand your point as you are shifting opinion with every post. There is nothing wrong with my fellow transport planners at Denbs CC, most of whom are ex-colleagues.

Typical planner. Before, the road was too narrow for trucks, so they didn't come through. Period. Now they do, so things are worse.



A pint in the Bryn is enough. Just look out of the window, you chump!



I could say the same to you.

PS. The "narrow winding road" route is only a half junction because because another generation of planners didn't complete it at the A55 end. You didn't mention that, did you? So at very best, it only solves half the problem because returning trucks DO have to go down the main street!

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This is beyond belief! I thought you were being ignorant, but this is just plain dumb!

You are seriously arguing that since the lower denbigh road is a historic road, laid out around 1900, hence it wasn't designed for HGVs that we should do.. erm...what?

How else would you service Denbigh and Ruthin? By air? Or the underground? Have some sense - you are making yourself look ridiculous.

Your pint in the bryn will tell you more HGVs are using the high street and turning up the upper denbigh road, does it? Well, that's convinced me. What you mean is you have no evidence and you are therefore withdrawing your falsehood - and your pathetic insult.

(Incidentally, last time I was in the bryn you couldn't see out of the windows down the high street - has the pub moved since last week?)

And what claims have I made that you wish me to withdraw?

What is the nonsense in your last paragraph? Half a junction? Half a problem? At least make some sense so your rather laughable and moronic comments can be answered.

Either that or stop digging that hole that you are in.

Hardly a way to win allies, millsee. You'll have to change your ways if you want to get on.



No, not at all. Why do you suggest that?



I wouldn't!



Think yourself lucky I didn't call you dumb and ridiculous. I just called you a chump, which means easily deceived.



Yes, those extra trucks shake it to it’s foundations. Don’t like the new colour much, do you?



You claim that you are not a chump, yet you work in planning and call concerned locals dumb and ridiculous, laughable and moronic. Start there and work up.



Hm.. I wonder if you have ever been down past the station. Check it out on the map, millsee, and you might notice something about that junction – yes, you can’t turn towards Chester, can you? You don’t even know the layout and there you are shouting the odds!

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Oh please be my ally please. Then you might start answering my questions, or making sense.



Because the posts you have made imply that you think you know all the answers.



How would you do it then? Leave the towns to die? Ridiculous. Good job you have no authority.



Hmm. Another ridiculous statement.




Latest research shows, contrary to popular belief, that vibrations from traffic have little to no structural effect on buidlings. Fancy digging the research out that proves otherwise, or are you simply making more dumb claims with no proof? As for the colour, I much preferred the sticky floors and the horrible beer. Have you seen the cock doctor lately? Still winning is she?



Nope Not all of them. Just you, pal.

And I work in planning do I? News to me.



Oh, you mean the left-in left-out junction at the bottom of Rhuallt Hill. Make it clearer next time please. One of my jobs in designing that interchange (remember when the road was realigned?) was a cost-benefit alalysis of providing an overbridge. It was considered unnecessary due to the proximity of the talardy roundabout, and the unacceptable environmental impact such a construction would have. If you REALLY know the area, you'll know what I am talking about.

Are you keeping up, chump?

millsee, authority is a privilege earned by civil servants and granted by the people who foot their wages, i.e. the tax payers. It is a good job that you are an engineer working to requirements, and not a planner. Angry outbursts do not earn authority and certainly don't change opinions. They have had their way with the Cathedral, but I don't want more truck traffic from the A55 through St Asaph streets. I would certainly prefer the status quo than to turn the vale into rural version of Shotton and Connahs Quay, or (God forbid) Wrexham.

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That's his style millsee!

Admit it for once BW that you have come up against someone with significantly more knowledge and practical experience in the field. You'd argue your way out of a paper bag rather than accept you are in the wrong for once.

I really don't want more traffic up the high street nor past the schools, and I hate to see the grounds of the Cathedral blighted by millsee’s chums. But let us establish your credentials to comment, r11co. What is the name of the garage at the bottom of the high street, and why does it have that name? And what is the first name of it's proprietor. You'd have to be local to know that.

Hm.. are you stuck? Perhaps you don't know much about St Asaph after all, and can't comment on it's road system, eh? Come on, at last you have to admit it r11co, you’re just making trouble, aren’t you, you naughty, naughty person?

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I'm not involved in this discussion. I am merely reading the posts of two individuals and drawing conclusions, based on those posts, as to which of the two individuals is more knowledgable about the situation being discussed, as is everyone else reading your discourse...



Another diversionary non-argument from Basingwerk.......

basingwerk wrote:


Its a while since you lived there basingwerk you naughty naughty troblemaking person yourself

millsee wrote


basingwerk wrote:


The A14 is near where basingwerk actually lives having actually left Wales for Cambs quite a long time ago in pursuit of mammon himself.

Actually I still live in Wales and work in Wales. If the A55 improvements had not been built there would be nose to tail traffic 24/7 through Hawarden where I work. We need communications to survive and some of us actually want to earn our keep pursuing our careers.

Most of us recognise the money grubbing antics and hypocrisy of the loacl Arrive Alive for what they are. There is no-one here in a high-tech company of 15 who has not yet been hit with a NIP. Even those here who used to claim that " all you had to do was stick to the law " have been entrapped and now realise what its about and hate Arrive Alive and current policy for it.

As for you my old 'chump' it seems if you are given enough opportunity you tie youself in knots and provide entertainment for us all .

harping negatively from the sidelines? You don't have to put up with the Industrial Despoliation. Look, I know these people mean well, but millsee didn’t know the A14 and the A55 were linked into the same part of theTrans-European transport network, which provided funds. For goodness sake, he acts like an authority on it, he has even worked on the road and he can’t see the bigger picture.

If you ever intend to visit the vale, do so soon, before these highway guys turn it all to asphalt and it looks like Hull!

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Question for basingwerk

I cannot name my local garage - I can tell you the dealership and what sort of petrol it sells.

I do not know the name so could not tell you why it is called what it is called.

I have no idea who owns the garage.

Does this make me ineligible to comment on my local roads?

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You almost tempted me....

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Ah, another old 'friend' letting himself down by harping negatively from the sidelines. We sold up in 2003 because my wife's parents were frail and needed looking after. They passed away last spring. My relations and friends still live in St Asaph and Holywell, and I keep a bed there in Bishop's walk, where the extra traffic rumbles along the Denbigh Road.



If these people have thier way, the rest of north Wales will be as bad as Queensferry, Shotton, Connah's Quay, which have gone to pot completely. Flint is hardly better.



The roads are safer than they were, then?

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