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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 20:17 
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It seems that a 48 year old has received a 4 month sentences after admitting dangerous driving whihc resulted in a 50 mile pursuiot down in Cambs and into Norfolk. The chase came to an end when my :bib: colleagues used a stinger to stop him.

At court - this chap claimed he had consumed 28 cans of "Red Bull" to keep awake - much more than the manufacture's recommended dose.

Hence the warning now issued....

Now I want to know why this person felt so exhausted that he drank this product - and I thus think employers have some serious questions to ask themsselves on demands from staff.

I want to know how much caffeine I can take without acting daft as well.

I would then also ask my cousin ( the lovely Wildy :neko: to explain exactly what an "overdose of caffeine" means and does to a person - and I want her to do this in proper English for once ;) and ask her to use her spellchecker in this instance :wink: :wink: :wink:

(:yikes: I brace myself for the German onslaught down my phone ! :yikes: :boxedin: :lol: )

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28 !

i only have red bull when im doing 24hr races... .and even then 2 or 3 cans is quite enough.


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Related news report: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/4634638.stm

I have drunk the Sainsbury's cheap alternative on the odd occasion, but it makes my legs feel jumpy.


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I'm not sure we know the whole story here.
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David Bird, in defence, said Edward's mother had died of cancer two weeks before the chase and Edwards had been suffering from severe depression.

He was also said to have had a history of mental illness.

"He had been drinking cans of Red Bull as he was ferrying members of his family to various parties during the night and had consumed the drink to stay awake," he added.

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At one stage police drove in front of Edwards to slow him down but he simply veered out to overtake in front of a lorry.

Isn't that a sign of suicidal tendency?
I'm not saying it defends his action, but merely that there was a cause in the dagerous driving which MIGHT not be soley the result of Red Bull.

We also do not know whether he drank it on a regular basis, or over what timescale - drinking that amount in a short time seems excessive - I would have been keen to visit the toilet long before the first 5!
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Caffeine also increases dopamine levels in the same way that amphetamines do (heroine and cocaine also manipulate dopamine levels by slowing down the rate of dopamine re-uptake). Dopamine is a neurotransmitter that, in certain parts of the brain, activates "reward pathways" (i.e. the pleasure center). Obviously caffeine's effect is much lower than heroin's, but it is the same mechanism. It is suspected that the dopamine connection contributes to caffeine addiction.

No wonder Red Bull gives you Wiiings!
I would recommend you visit thissite for a clear explanation of how caffeine affects your body, particularly the after affects.
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The most important long-term problem is the effect that caffeine has on sleep. Adenosine reception is important to sleep, and especially to deep sleep. The half-life of caffeine in your body is about six hours. That means that if you consume a big cup of coffee with 200 mg of caffeine in it at 3 p.m., then by 9 p.m. about 100 mg of that caffeine is still in your system. You may be able to fall asleep, but your body probably will miss out on the benefits of deep sleep. That deficit adds up fast. The next day you feel worse, so you need caffeine as soon as you get out of bed. The cycle continues day after day.


Thought provoking stuff! :shock:

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Don't stimulant drugs produce psychosis in large doses?

If someone was suffering from caffeine induced psychosis, would they have been temporarily insane?

And if they may have been temporarily insane, shouldn't the court have found them not guilty due to diminished responsibility?

What a strange case...

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The incident occured on 21st March last year - a long time to come to court?
As I said - not sure we have the whole picture. :(

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What would it take???

http://www.energyfiend.com/death-by-caffeine

about 150 cans should do it for me.....


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SafeSpeed wrote:
Don't stimulant drugs produce psychosis in large doses?

That all depends on the individual & their physical response to any particular drug.
I have seen people end up in the nuthouse after 3 months of prolonged use of amphteamines (aka Speed), and yet others have handled it quite well for years.
The same goes for pissheads...I have seen people down 16 pints and behave perfectly normally, and yet other people are (literally) legless after 5 pints of the same beer.

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If someone was suffering from caffeine induced psychosis, would they have been temporarily insane?

They certainly shouldn't be guilty of anything, as it is not a wilful action.

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And if they may have been temporarily insane, shouldn't the court have found them not guilty due to diminished responsibility?

As above.

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Gixxer wrote:
SafeSpeed wrote:
Don't stimulant drugs produce psychosis in large doses?

That all depends on the individual & their physical response to any particular drug.
I have seen people end up in the nuthouse after 3 months of prolonged use of amphteamines (aka Speed), and yet others have handled it quite well for years.
The same goes for pissheads...I have seen people down 16 pints and behave perfectly normally, and yet other people are (literally) legless after 5 pints of the same beer.


True - Liebchen - we are all different - people's bodies und bio-chemistry react differently und we are what we eat as well.... some foodstuff react with another in your normal bodily function - und yur body produces its own set of bio-chemicals und so was to attack und deal with the "invader" - ist why you break out in hives when allergic to something... :wink: Ist in layman simple speak as ist so easy to go off on an essay about it :lol: Und you know what I am like - am one of them typical wimmin.... :wink: :lol: 8-)


Und Ernest site "the howstuff works" (ist one I enjoy to read as it ist in simple und bitesize basics on lots of "stuff" 8-) ) ist absolutely accurate in accounts - und there are plenty other which say same thing - but in sort of jargon which ist my normal speak...

:roll: Ist no wonder I am rubbish at Englisch! :lol:

Ist linked - we are what we eat...very much so...what we eat does not just feed bodies - but ist the fuel which feel the central management box in body - our brain itself! Und any drug taken in excess will impact - even if ist normal food stuff which have the "hyper effect" on someone.

Am thinking of putting something either in "Chat" or in "Cycling" about food und training - after all cycling need energy und there are lots of foods which help build up stamina und fight lurgies as well - und this also cross over into normal life und behaviour in car as well. :wink: Food und especially reliance on this processed muck does affect our moods und attitudes.

Drifting off at tangent but ist example of one proven to have some very beneficial effects .. but ist one common food which recently mentioned in medical mags...und even got a plug on BBC News item in week... :lol: 8-)

Beetroot!

I like beetroot - its has some health qualities as we find ist more than aphrodisiac - it was love food of Aphrodyte :lol: She had it baked und drizzled with olive oil....(I have baked it , roasted it, pickled it und served it as condiment to beef in raspberry jelly - with the raspberry vinegar in the mix - und ist purrrrrrrrrrrrrr-fecktion - yum - maybe one of the kittens should also be called Beetroot! :lol: ) - und it also feed mind und create sense of calm und well being per some peer reviewed doo-dah in medical mag... :lol: Ist called the "bored doctor syndrome where we investigate anything which take fancy :lol: " But anyway - they find it calm mind und help it focus und concentrate better. Und it benefits kidneys by helping a flush out.)

Only one snag.... it make your wee pink! :lol:

But for calming und chilling out properties... a good thing to include in a meal.

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If someone was suffering from caffeine induced psychosis, would they have been temporarily insane?

They certainly shouldn't be guilty of anything, as it is not a wilful action.


Depend how far we could prove this to be so in this person. Ist more to story than meet eye as Ernest say.! But 28 cans of Red Bull .. ist a lot :roll: :shock: ... I would have thrown up after two, I will drink one if on long drive back to Papa und Mama in Appenzell - but I prefer Lucozade as it taste nicer.
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Was his story backed up by a blood test? It could just be a load of BS cooked up by the defence solicitor to mitigate the offence....

I drunk 15 cans of red bull during a night out once (wasn't driving, don't worry). I was violently sick, several times. 28 cans? I can't see anyone being able to hold that down, but I guess caffeine affects different people in different ways.

Coffee is much easier to overdose on and this has hapenned to me a couple of times at work. Banging headache. Fast heart pounding. Profuse sweating. fuzzy vision. Dry mouth. Need to wee every 5 minutes. Unable to concentrate or properly listen to what people are saying. Prone to aggression. Definitely not safe to drive due to the distorted vision alone. Stayed at work until I felt better (10PM if I remember rightly).

Maybe a study should be done into the effects of caffeine on drivers in varying states of tiredness. I'm sure the results would be interesting.

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