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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 17:43 
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... ng-shakeup

The RAC director, Steve Gooding, and Neil Greig, policy director at the IAM RoadSmart charity, backed the proposal.


Gooding said: “The casualty statistics tell us that motorways are our safest roads, but they can feel anything but safe to a newly qualified driver heading down the slip road for the first time to join a fast-moving, often heavy, flow of traffic

How many learners learn in parts of the country where there's no motorways with in easy distance, but there are Dual Carriage ways which are so similar ,especially busy ones.

Greig said it was a “sensible and measured solution”, adding: “It makes no sense that new drivers learn by trial and, often fatal, error how to use our fastest and most important roads.”

So lets take the trial and error out ofit and introduce learners first to DC ,even ones with low speed limits to let them get accustomed to two lane roads and MORE IMPORTANTLY the etiquette/ need to keep left.

Reports had said the government was considering making learner drivers complete 120 hours of training before taking their tests, but the Department for Transport said there were no current plans for such a measure


So what happens to learners who live a fair distance from Motorways. Then of course ,how about bring in training before the test ( after it in the form of course) to teach those sitting in ivory towers in southern cities where they have Motorways/DC & decent width roads how to behave on narrow/single track roads and what passing places are for . Possibly even teach them how to reverse safely round a wide sweeping road to get to that layby they galloped past

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 20:37 
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judging by the amount of serious accidents we have reported in Shropshire on a weekly basis (and the weather isn't even bad yet), the young certainly need better tuition in keeping the car or it's wheels or even on the roads, at the moment. They seem to manage putting it on its roof or in a ditch, even on the widest, straightest 30MPH road round here.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 15:58 
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Thinking more about learners on motorways- HOW do the powers that be propose to warn other road users of their presence

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Thinking more about learners on motorways- HOW do the powers that be propose to warn other road users of their presence

Compulsory "P" plates for 6 months?

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Was thinking more of drivers under instruction warning other road users of their presence, but again on a qualified driver would this get any notice taken off ?

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I can see this working for little used motorways at their quietest times like our local M54 at certain times of the day but to put a learner on a busy motorway is asking for trouble, not just as a safety angle but as a congestion issue.

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A lot of noise is made about this subject but, in reality, the etiquette of motorways can be substantially learned by negotiation of large dual carriageway multi-level junctions. These are just as fast and require the same skills of awareness like merging at speed etc. The additional rules applicable to motorways (like smart motorway signs) can be learned in the classroom.

Will it make any difference to safety? I doubt it.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 21:33 
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Malcolm- I'm hoping you are right. BUT-IMHO- a full motorway is no place for a LEARNER. Or a newly passed driver.

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Sink or swim!
Throw them in at the deep end!
Compulsory driving on the M25, Friday late afternoon/early evening.
Those that survive will never drive again!

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Don't you mean, those that eventually move will never try that again :D

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