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I thought you might like this extract from the Salisbury Journal.

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Malcolm W.
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More NIMBYism, hypocrisy and stupidity.

Actually, a trend I have noticed in recent years is that passion, lies and belief trumps common sense and facts. That's until the truth emerges...

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Has anyone asked this stupid buffoon, WHY it is "un-acceptable" ?

maybe if he had to write a technical report on his reasoning he might change his mind, instead of letting off his hot air for the sake of his constituents.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

graball - simple answer - ELECTIONS in May .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

The Councillor will say that he is just responding to the "concerns" of his residents.

Of course, as we all know, these concerns only become policy if they are politically correct and show politicians in the most caring light (particularly if they are on the left). The only response to this rush to espouse democratic representation is to ask them if they feel the same way about re-introducing capital punishment as that is "what the people demand".

Mob rule is generally ill informed.

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Malcolm W.
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And to the concerns of his local party ( especially if on left). Especially if the politician finds a large lobby for idiocy rather than common sense . This country now desperately needs a jaywalking law and solid enforcement .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

They have that in America, where I lived, and let me speak a truth from personal experience - it doesn't work and for the same reason that speed enforcement isn't working. Ready???

As and when the law is an ass, all that reasonable, sensible and rational people do is tend to ignore it! You can argue it’s wrong, illegal, immoral, naughty.. But that's human nature!!!

Winston Churchill said it best: “The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.”

So, for example, if there is a crossing 100 yards/meters away but you look and see there is absolutely no road traffic - what do you do?

Do you think "although it makes no sense whatsoever and taking me in the wrong direction, I will still nonetheless walk an extra 200 yards, (work it out), and waste that time, (+ button-pressing waiting for beep beep beep), to get where I want to be"

or do you think

"I'll cross here-and-now, in our busy world, while there is a safe space and gap which I know to be clear and can see with my own eyes to be safe"? Do you wait and wait or do you do what's known as a risk assessment which, sadly, has been taken away from us all and replaced by ‘intelligent’ machines which always know better? (Actually, what 'clever' people have invented for us stupid sheeple).

Are we, and have we really become, such a pathetic and stupid race that it has come to this? Maybe we have, but if so I think it’s sad that we are all regarded as so very stupid, when in fact the truth is: there always has been and always will be stupid and irresponsible people - but what we have now is that all of us have to dumb-down to the lowest common denominator/idiot.

It’s funny how we/they do this on our roads but, (political anathema/suicide), 'they' shy away from more thorny issues where there’s less personal & political gain....

What we have today is a dumbed-down, H&S obsessive, OTT PC correct "you public/plebs are all morons", nanny state which has been created by the very nature of modern life and 'society's to blame mate' no blame culture, where absolutely no-one is held to account or takes responsibility for their own actions.

What’s worse, these days, we are only mimicking our politicians...

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

I have always thought that laws banning jaywalking do not actually seek to prevent it. They are enacted to show disapproval of an activity by the authorities and to clearly show where liability lies in the event of an accident.

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Malcolm W.
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I notice the quotes have been left open, implying the councillor continued after saying this.

Can we see what he had to say next?

That was actually the end of the piece. My poor cut/paste left off the closing quote marks.

I have a further quote from him from a different article:

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Malcolm W.
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In Arnside in Cumbria they had the opposite problem.
A few youths racing around at night triggered calls to the Parish Council for action - so they asked for police to monitor the situation, and if necessary issue anti-social driving orders.
The police manpower levels meant little happened, then the County Councillor for the area stepped in and demanded the 30 mph limit be reduced to 20 mph.

Parish councillors protested, pointing out that if drivers were ignoring the 30 mph limit, and police were not available to enforce THAT, then the only people inconvenienced by 20 mph limit would be law abiding residents!

I have had dealings with this county councillor.

I emailed Cllr Ian Stewart over a matter which he responded he would look into.
After a MONTH with no response, I emailed asking if he had overlooked the matter - and got an email back stating that he had no intention of looking into it, and would I stop harassing him!

I have since discovered he is regarded by many local councillors and even fellow county councillors as a pathetic individual, who ducks and dives to avoid his responsibilities.
He is currently at odds with the Local Area Partnership... a county inspired interface, and refuses to cooperate or discuss with them over parking issues with the district council - of which he is also a member!

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

Thus showing his total lack of comprehension of anything to do with speed limit setting and road safety.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

So you're imagining a pedestrian that is in the road that gets knocked down by a car is just swept to the side, spat on and left to rot in the gutter whilst the vehicle driver is lauded and given a reward for taking out such a heinous offender, even if the driver was on their mobile phone, eating a bacon sandwich, having a fag and getting a job from the girlfriend?

OK yup.

A signal controlled pedestrian crossing at every corner and on some longer roads at least every 200 metres, pavements along ALL stretches of country roads with regular crossing points, naturally with 20 mph speed limit zones leading up to them and raised platforms.

botach, do you really want a jaywalking law, really? Say it.

Eh, surely that's democracy in action? If he can get elected supporting lower speed limits then that's a good thing right because that's what voters signal that they want?

Your post above says more about your state of mind than will any response from me.


To see the problem with "democracy in action" just look at the elections in Italy. The candidates who polled the most votes promised the mob bread just like they did 2000 years ago while the candidate with the best chance of fixing the country's financial problems got just 10% of the votes. As I said above, mob rule is generally based on populism and not the greatest benefit for the greatest number of people.

The fact is that reducing a speed limit is simply not the most important thing to campaign about given all the other issues which require work.

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Malcolm W.
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You do like speaking is assertions. Quite a lot of evidence to suggest austerity doesn't work.



That's your opinion though right? Not a fact?

Funny how the fastest roads, (our motorways), are the safest and the fastest of all roads.

Funny how aeroplanes are the fastest and safest means of transport of all.

Anyone read about the, slow moving, air balloon fatalities the other day in Egypt? Maybe if it was going yet slower, (weepej’s answer to everything), they would surely have survived...

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

There was a fatal accident recently on the road which the Councillor is concerned about. At that point it is a four lane in each direction DC with two left lanes filtering off the main A31 to go north to Salisbury. From what I have read about this accident the cause was not speed but inexperience on the part of the 16 year old on a moped who was killed.

IIRC mopeds have a top speed of 30mph which most likely makes them a danger to themselves and other users of a big trunk road due to speed differentials. Should all main roads be restricted to 30mph just in case a moped rider wants to use them? I don't understand why the Councillor thinks that introducing a 50mph limit will help reduce collisions when the evidence is that it won't.

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Malcolm W.
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Also plenty of evidence that, in the long term, spending money you haven't got tends to end in tears.

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

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