Safe Speed Forums

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Interesting the comments, not many seem to be in agreement.

Interesting comments, especially the one about the camera van and others not in favour of the actions of some cyclists .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

I see that in the survey, 54% of children "worried about being hurt by traffic when out and about." If 100% were worried then this would be a better contibution to safety as, presumably, they would then take all reasonable care to be safe. Being concerned about something generally makes you more aware of it.

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

While this may be an admirable goal, not really sure that it is a 'basic right', they should also address the rather disturbing notion that children feel scared and threatened about doing something so basic as walking. Somebody must be feeding these children information that could leave them ill equipped to grow into normal members of society. Is this not a form of child cruelty? Why are children's charities not fighting against the emotional and intellectual crippling of these poor kids?

An odd thought here, if you ignore the overt car hating stuff, what Brake seem to advocate is keeping their kids in a childlike state even when they grow up. Being out without mummy is dangerous, don't learn how to drive a nasty car, stay with mummy and she will drive you where you need to go, the world is scary and you cannot handle it alone.

Remember how Crufts suddenly got dropped and the Kennel club was linked to the eugenics movement? I wonder if in future Brake will turn out to have some dark underlying agenda?

Okay so a flight of fantasy, but it is funny how rumours can expand and become a meme...

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Driving fast is for a particular time and place, I can do it I just only do it occasionally because I am a gentleman.
- James May

Perhaps we need 100% of parents to be concerned as well,and to consider that accident prevention education is in the kids best interest.And schools/in house PCSO to take more action in education,though ,I did mention the road safety attitude of pupils at my Grand daughter's school to one teacher and it was a cross between kids not being interested and a hint that there were H & S concerns if a child was injured after being "educated . After saying that, the kids are only copying the example of adults ,as far as I can see.

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Well that just about sums up this country..."we can't really teach road safety, because then it's our fault if they get hurt"....you couldn't make it up folks.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

By this logic, nobody would insure driving schools for public liability. Any accident and the people who taught the driver would be liable.

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

"in the same distance as a 20mph driver can stop, a 30mph driver is still doing 24mph."

Says it all really!

In the same time a pedestrian can cover 1 metre, a 20mph driver will still be doing 20mph.

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Driving fast is for a particular time and place, I can do it I just only do it occasionally because I am a gentleman.
- James May

Likewise a 20MPH cyclist, and have thay any specialist training - other than to park a bike in some unpleasant part of some one's anatomy.

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Childish "bottom lip stuck out" arguments aside:

"in the same distance as a 20mph driver can stop, a 30mph driver is still doing 24mph."

In the same distance a 30mph attentive driver can stop a speed kills obsessed 20mph driver will have sailed past oblivious to everything going on around them.

In the places and at the times where 20mph limits are needed any sensible driver is already doing 15, or 10. The numpties won't be made any better, or safer drivers by enforcing the speed limit.

A good point there, given that the stopping distance for a cycle is going to be much more than a car they should should be restricted to, let's say, 10mph. It should be quite simple to fit them with a unit that automatically applies the brakes to regulate the speed.

Cycles do not have any pedestrian safety features either, all sharp metal and plastic really, perhaps they should have some kind of front fairing.

This will all cost money and add weight, but if it saves just one life...

Weepej - no, not serious, this would be a terrible thing to do, even though it does follow the logic as 20mph speed limits.

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Driving fast is for a particular time and place, I can do it I just only do it occasionally because I am a gentleman.
- James May

Does this take into consideration thinking distance in an emergency or just stopping from 20MPh, knowing full well you are going to apply the brakes...this is a serious question so a serious answer would be appreciated, Weepy.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Cor, anybody here who can differentiate?

I dunno graball, but the answer to your question will only demonstrate that 20 is a far more sensible limit in towns and urban areas!

(speed, thinking, stopping, total)

20mph = 6m 6m = 12m
30mph = 9m 14m = 23m

They're not "real life" figures for a typical modern car. Frankly (though I've never tried it under "lab" conditions, I don't even believe the "in the same distance as a 20mph driver can stop, a 30mph driver is still doing 24mph" claim either. Anyway, whatever's true for 20 is going to be even better for 10, why not make it 10?

Any sensible driver would've already been slowing down and through 10 in a situation where somebody is just about to jump out in front of them.

Strike me, driving a modern car makes my reactions quicker?

Take that a step further and driving examiners would requyire massive indemnities . But this school of thought exists. No conkers at school. Some schools are funny about medication eg Ashma inhalers .

As for the , I take it the assumption is that vision is restricted, so the question must be why do 30 ,in those conditions. The whole perception of accidents has been blown out of all proportions when fixed speeds are mentioned. Perhap[s we need more emphasis on the relavance of the CORRECT & SAFE speed for the conditions, and the use of COAST , then there's less chance of the accident ever happining. Perhaps in the rush into production line driving tuitition things have been lost. little things like looking under /around parked cars in urban areas for feet.

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

you'd have been doing 10 or less in this situation, would you?

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/918562/