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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2005 23:54 
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http://www.autoindustry.co.uk/news/indu ... 25-05-05_1

anyone any idea on when it would be likely to happen?


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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2005 06:41 
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Strange....this press report didn't mention banning speed camera detectors...A bit of misinformation I think

Often I have seen a press report on a proposed bill without giving you ALL the content. You may be in general agreement without knowing something that you could seriously object to.

How can "inconsiderate driving" be a measurable offence anyway. You get busted for not letting someone out of a side road?
Careless...yes
Dangerous...yes
Inconsiderate... :o

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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2005 21:22 
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speed camera detectors are still in it......

http://www.lga.gov.uk/Documents/Publica ... l%20RG.pdf


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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2005 21:27 
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The only way this is ever going to get changed is if we get people to stand for Parliament ourselves on single issues.

Now the general election is over, all we have to do is wait for the grim-reaper. I have said before that people elect governments at general elections.

I honestly believe (subject to Paul giving it the 'green light') that a "Safe Speed" candidate on a single ticket, with local bodies from this forum handing out leaflets and carrying the issues just might cause a spectacular upset.

The law is being abused to such an extent that EVERY section of the otherwise completely law-abiding majority of being hauled across the coals.

A candidate at a by-election really could conceivable cause an upset.

Think about it

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Surely now is the time to be writing to our new MPs, and to our local papers. It is obvious how things work - if enough MPs with fragile majorities (like many Labour ones now) think that they might loose their seat over this then it is possible that things might improve.

We just need a consistent, clear argument that the MupPets can get their heads around. Any Suggestions?


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One of the things I would like to see in a notional manifesto is that the Chief of Police is to be retrospectively held PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE along with senior members of all the camera partnerships for any and every instance where the siting of cameras can be retrospectively shown beyond any reasonable doubt to have been placed just for money.

2 Reasons for this.

1 Might make those in charge of the countrywide extortion rackets THINK about their own culpability if the rest of us get to abuse a few laws to their extremes too.

2 Hitler's henchmen were held personally responsible for each of their parts in the holocaust. Obviously, I do accept that filching cash is not quite the same as gassing people, so it follows that retribution for their actions should not involve the death penalty or anything like it!!!! (Don't laugh - even though you might think it at the moment the NIP lands on the doormat, it has to be proportionate!!! :twisted: :twisted: Quite simple, the ex-chief constables and the ex-heads of departments (those who had a hand in policy) should be made to repay any monies filched - personally.

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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2005 16:21 
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Oh give me strength...

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Ensuring that foreign drivers cannot escape punishment in Great Britain through new powers to issue fixed penalty notices for endorsable offences and to take deposits from offenders who cannot provide a verifiable address.


How ? Are we back to Blair's idea of marching people to cashpoints again? Or arresting and holding them until the deposit can be paid - taking yet more time off the streets....

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Improving compliance through increased penalties for various safety-related road traffic offences such as driving while using a hand-held mobile phone, careless and inconsiderate driving and using a vehicle in a dangerous condition.


Trafpol reducing in numbers - so who's going to perform the "stops" needed to find these offences? They've already given Vehicle Standards the power to stop cars (but no blue lights to do it with)...more privatising police roles...

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Dealing with poor driving standards by allowing the courts to make increased use of retraining courses for serious offenders


That's if you can get the CPS to get the case to court in the first place...

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and through improvements to driving instruction and testing procedures.


Testing procedures? Does this mean a motorway test at long last...no, didn't think so...

Its a typical piece of New Labour spin - just creating a new offence doesn't help, we already have ones for inconsiderate driving - we just can't use them though as the CPS hate them...

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Clarifying which vehicles can break signed speed limits in emergency situations


Silly me, I thought a big blue light on the vehicle concerned sort of identified that....

More spin, anyone ?


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cotswold wrote:
Silly me, I thought a big blue light on the vehicle concerned sort of identified that....


Only if you work for Derbyshire Police

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