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A friend may have just been caught by a mobile camera van while on a recent trip in the uk (while driving my car). If an NIP arrives with me and I say that my friend was driving what would be the procedure if the law were to follow it up? Would they request to see my friends licence and pay a fine or will they just let it go? Would they have to go to court as there's no way to assign points to a foreign licence right?

Any info much appreciated but it's all speculative at the moment.

Thank you.

This seems to vary from area to area.

Some people have been asked for proof, which you don't legally have to provide. Though I have heard reports of people being threatened and intimidated, with police officers calling at homes and places of work.

In other areas they seem to just drop it.

As far as the law goes, once you have filled in the form, signed it and sent it back (registered post of course ) you have fulfilled your obligation.

You are required by law to name the driver if you can do so with due diligance.

The driver would be summonsed to court if he/she has a non-uk driving licence. If the driver does not have a uk address, it is very unlikely to proceed any further.

It's entirely possible and appropriate in certain circumstances for the police to make further enquiries including visiting your house if they suspect that you have provided incorrect details. This may depend entirely on the zeal of the investigating officer.

If I understand correctly, a foreign driver would have points added to a database which could be added to if he offends again.

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Fixed ideas are like cramp, for instance in the foot, yet the best remedy is to step on them.

Ian

So what this actually means is that if I come over for a holiday I can drive as fast as I like and when my holiday is finished I just go home and ignore any NIP's sent to me back in Australia.

Sound about right?

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Ross

Yes I'm a hoon, but only on the track!!!!

Exactly right, as can anybody else driving while outside of the law - "joy riders" and criminals of all sorts, those that have lost their licences and have picked up an old banger (also uninsured), false number plates, as well as any fully legal foreign registered vehicle or driver. If any of this group are driving exceptionally stupidly then they might attract the attention of the increasingly rare police vehilce, but as far as the camera system goes they cannot be prosecuted.

This is one of the reasons why they are hated so much - the dangerous criminals (a significant number of accidents actually involve uninsured drivers who are probably uninsurable because they are incompenant) can do what they like, while the average law abiding, got all the correct paperwork, never been in trouble with the law in my life and would never consider doing something illegal driver is target number one - because they are easy to get.

You might just have li'l old me to answer to!

If I could catch you!

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Fixed ideas are like cramp, for instance in the foot, yet the best remedy is to step on them.

Ian

Why not? Thats roughly how Oz was colonized in the first place isn't it?

BTW, are there actually any ugly women in Oz - all of the under 30's in Neighbours are fit as f:censored:

Can confirm this to be true.

The scamerati have tens of thousands of motorists to prosecute every week. Any cases presenting extra work and effort, with only a small chance of an eventual prosecution, tend to be dropped at an early stage.

Your obligation as keeper extends only to putting a name and address of a 'driver' on the form. You have then complied, and cannot be done for 'failing to supply details...'

(as you may know, even this requirement is being challenged in the ECHR, as being forced under duress to incriminate yourself conflicts with an ancient human right sacrosanct in English law (Scottish law too!) for 800 years - until the coming of the scamerati).

Make sure you use recorded delivery.

One or two scamerati will ask for 'proof' that your overseas-resident friend/relative was the driver (Leicestershire Scamerati seem to do this). You have no legal obligation to supply further proof, and commit no offence by refusing to do so: filling in the NIP is all that is legally required.

If you do, however, send in a letter from the 'driver' admitting it was him/her on the day, you will receive a written response stating that the case is being dropped and no further action will be taken.

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'The normally careful and competent actions of a reasonable person should be considered legal, regardless of the letter of statute'

Rioman, Herts

Brilliant and succinct summing-up of the 'safety benefits' and general effects of the scameras, Rewolf. Don't think I've seen better in these forums, or anywhere else.

Any scamerati like to comment?

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'The normally careful and competent actions of a reasonable person should be considered legal, regardless of the letter of statute'

Rioman, Herts