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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:56 
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A campaign to reduce the number of car crashes in residential streets will come to Tunbridge Wells later this month.

The Street Lights Mean 30 scheme aims to make motorists aware of the 30mph speed limit in built-up areas.
The campaign team were due to visit Tunbridge Wells this weekend to get their message across with a show for shoppers.
But the visit has been delayed until Saturday, November 28, due to the poor weather forecast for this weekend.
The campaign was launched as two-thirds of crashes in which people are killed or seriously injured happen in streets with 30mph or less speed limits.

Sarah Temlett, for Kent and Medway Safety Camera Partnership, said: “Driving just a few miles above that speed limit can mean the difference between life and death – 85 per cent of people hit by vehicles at 40mph die, compared to 20 per cent at 30mph.”
Shoppers are now invited to come along to the Millennium Clock in Tunbridge Wells on November 28 to enjoy a performance by the Street Light Singers, who will be dressed in 9ft street light costumes and singing a variety of songs, between 11am and 3pm.

They will be joined by the Street Lights team who will be offering information and advice, handing out free goodies and giving shoppers the chance to enter a competition to win one of three iPod nanos.

A recent survey found 73 per cent of drivers didn’t realise that street lights mean you are driving in a 30mph zone, unless otherwise stated.
Ms Tremlett added: “Many drivers who receive speeding tickets say they had no idea they were travelling in a 30mph zone. Yet by driving at 35mph instead of 30mph, you are twice as likely to kill someone.

“This campaign aims to get across, in a light-hearted way, the very serious message that Street Lights Mean 30.”
The Tunbridge Wells event is one of eight being held across Kent throughout October, November and December.

Further details about the campaign are available at www.streetlightsmean30.co.uk.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 19:27 
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Street Lights Mean 30

A poor choice of words. It should read
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Street Lights Usually Mean 30

at the very least.

Also what will happen when somebody get done for 30 in a 20 and they trot out this campiagn as an excuse :bunker:
(I know there are normally other "safety" measures around in 20 zones just putting it up for debate)

IMO it is just another short sighted dumbing down of the national driving population :(


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:52 
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Sarah Temlett, for Kent and Medway Safety Camera Partnership, said: “Driving just a few miles above that speed limit can mean the difference between life and death – 85 per cent of people hit by vehicles at 40mph die, compared to 20 per cent at 30mph.”


You have probably heard this from me before; one in five people will still die if you hit them at 30mph. They play such a dangerous game with statistics, I hate it, it gives a false illusion of safety.

Basically the message is “hitting people at 30 mph is better than hitting them at 40mph because less people die when hit a 30mph”

What’s wrong with “Drive at a speed that you know you can STOP before you hit someone."

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As ree.t said, the message should be that you need to drive at a speed so you don't hit people. But that is the problem ,every thing nowadays is too prescriptive, everything is black and white with no shades of grey.

If they have large number of vehicles exceeding the speed limit, then I would expect them to perhaps think that the limit may have been set too low for the actual conditions on the basis that if the speed limit has been set correctly then the majority of vehicles would drive within it, which gets back to the 85 percentile figure. However with speed limits getting lower and lower it becomes more difficult to determine what the true 85 percentile figure is so will we ever get back to sensible speed limits?

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 14:33 
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No never, if the type of attitudes shown in the replies to my letter to the local paper (about the inappropriate 30mph limits introduced locally) are anything to go by.

I can't understand why councillors take note of voters who want limits lowered but ignore other voters who want them raised. Well actually, I know why - they are spineless PC sheep who are afraid of being labelled "child killers".

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The problem is one of perception.
You are arguing against the one sure fact known in all accident scenarios: If nothing is moving there will be nobody killed.
So, you are trying to get across to the uninitiated that driving at 40/50/60/70 could be safer than driving at 20/30.
You are just not going to win that argument.
The campaigners against vehicles traveling at any speed KNOW that they are winning.
It's not even difficult:
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Listen, if we get cars to move at only 10mph there will be 100 times less accidents than at 30mph AND, since people are only killed at speeds over 30 even if they are hit at 10 they will not be killed

Someone said once that allowing for braking, most dead people were killed by vehicles traveling at about 15 mph.

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