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How many head injuries have to happen before these things are removed?
The penalty for ignoring or missing a sign is £60. Not getting a head injury for you or your passenger.

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

I wonder which part of "NO ENTRY" he didn't understand.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

When you work in the service industry or utillities you often have to ignore road signs. You park where it is safe, you might need to stop on double yellows. park in a lorry bay. I have driven the wrong way up a duel carriageway with headlights on and a yellow beacon whilst surveying . If you people watch in the center of town you can probobly see 60 traffic offences an hour.
Would a copper/warden come and issue me a ticket... or smash my head against a windscreen?
Can I start wacking the 60 deviants an hour I see in town? You would lock me up!



Is the enforcement of this bus lane realy worth giving drivers and completly innocent passenger head injuries and concussion?

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

No you don't have. In most circumstances you choose to ignore road signs to make your life easier at the expense or the safety and convenience of other road users. The purpose of the bollards is to take that option away. And when you make the choice to behave illegally you should proceed with great caution. The driver in this report obviously didn't. We must wait for a fuller report but I would expect that he was trying to tailgate a permitted vehicle and misjudged the manoeuvre. Misjudging any manouevre when driving can lead to innocent passengers being injured


They would be perfectly in order to issue a ticket and I wish that more would do so. But, of course not to use violence.


If it increases the safety of pedestrians in the zone it might well be worth it. The gretar good of the greater number, you know.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

But utillity workers have to enter bus lanes to work. Ie, telecoms, street light engineers, Should they risk being injured by a traffic bollard to do thier job?

If every bus lane was armed with one of these bollards then the KSI rates would rocket.

I believe there have been 2 head injuries from this bollard. one was a child. Not to mention a bus was speared.

Should I install a big fist that wacks cyclists on the pavement to make pedestrians safer? Of course I shouldnt. Nor should the bollards exist.

If the device brought the car to a slow stop I would not be so anti. it is the dangerous hard impact this causes that is so wrong.

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Presumably anyone with a legitimate reason to enter the bus lane will be issued with a transponder not expected to tailgate a bus.



Have to agree with that. Some automated version of the ramp like they have on car park exits. That would also give you the opportunity to back out if it came up between the axles.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Doesn't look like it's the bollards that are unsafe to me, but the nuts driving over them.

Surely if you were worried about pedestrian safety then you would not allow buses in?

I think I must be missing something, or rather the road is missing something...

What's wrong with two signs, one each side of the road, facing the oncoming traffic saying 'Bus Access Only"? Make them the size of dustbin lids within a nice bold red circle. Anyone found going through get's fined - and perhaps ordered to get an eyesight test.

I should be very concerned about those bollards. Few things are so reliable, despite regular safety checks, that it is impossible to fail. So I can imagine what would happen if it failed when a bus had a full load of passengers. (It’s only got to happen once).

Of course if they really wanted to stick with that system why not make it safer by having the sensors in the road activate a “STOP!” sign to attract a driver’s attention. I can see how someone new to the area, on that road for the first time, may not be aware of what’s ahead. It’s easily done when you’re from out of town, consumed with taking everything in around you, while looking for a destination or car park.

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Since when did having something up on a sign with threat of a fine stop people doing something?

What's more when people are doing something they know they shouldn't they often attempt to do it very quickly, presumably so it reduces the time they are exposed to being spotted.

Not a good thing to do in a pedestrianised area.

Well maybe if they wern't overused/abused weepej, then drivers would show a little more respect...

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

I thought that already had happened?

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Andrew.

If so, where the hec are H&S on this matter when you actually need them???

They won't let a small dog on a damn canal boat, unless it counts as a person, but they'll let the equivalent of a massive stunbolt pistol rise from Mother Earth to deter an errant motorist!!!

Selective descrimination or what?

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

The vids that have been posted have not shown the wider picture.

Have a look at this video and look at how clear the signs are. Anyone who can't see these signs shouldn't be on the road driving at all - good that the car is subsequently 'taken out'. As for the innocent passengers, yes, I feel sorry for them, especially of there are children involved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQyFhkReOmk

Agreed the signs are unmistakeable. However, there are several reasons that one may choose to go past a red light, the obvious ones of which are listed below.

1) If it can be reasonably assumed that lights are faulty - been stuck on red for far too long.
2) To avoid an accident
3) if the green period was unreasonably short, letting only one vehicle through
4) To make space/extra space for an emergency vehicle.
5) If on an emergency mission oneself.

With the possible exception of TWOCKERS seeing if they can tailgate a bus through jusdt for the fun of it, I think we can safely say it is a given that vehicles being impaled on these weapons are unlikely to be being driven by locals. Irrespective of the signs and other street furniture, they will have had it drummed in to them that it is not a good idea.

So - this is the equivalent then of having automated hidden weapons pointed at ones car - and fired - if one makes an innocent mistake.

Yeh those things are great I find really funny when that big black suv (1:05 min). ha ha ha. The way it bounces towards the people at the crossing and a concerned parent pulls the pushchair back, as they see ~2 tons of metal flying towards their child, yeh baby!… this is sarcasm.


When did we become such a vindictive nation? All they did is drive down a road that they shouldn’t……..OH NO! And that justifies a head injury etc…. Why is something, which is tantamount to corporal punishment acceptable? Oh sorry ..They disobeyed a sign they deserve everything they get. The fleshy objects in the cars etc are people too. They made a poor judgment, give them a fine. We are supposed to be civilized country based on reason and understanding. We decided years ago to stop corporal punishment for convicted criminals! Yet this acceptable?

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Or simply just anti-motorist? Or both?

Have any motorbikers been caught by these bollards, or even any pushbikers?

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It wouldn't surprise me if someone were to turn up in a JCB and actually tug these out of the ground.

Of course I do not condone such vandalism... but it wouldn't surprise me.

Hmm.

The people in the videos sure look like they know the bollards would raise after the bus had passed over them.

But they aren't hidden. There are bloody great warning signs about them.

When we were discussing pedestrian safety some time ago the concenus appeared to be that pedestrians should look out for their own safety. That if they were killed or injured attempting, for example, trying to cross a motorway then they were at fault for ignoring an obvious hazard. That if they didn't understand the hazard their parent/teacher was at fault for not teaching them correctly.

So why are the same criteria not applied to the motorists in that film? The driver of the small grey car approachs the bollards and finds that they won't let him past. So he backs out and waits for a bus which he then attempts, rather ineffectually, to tail gate. He knew of the hazard but chose to ignore it and paid the consequence. The second driver is obviously not concentrating on the road ahead, probably distracted by her children. If she had been she would have had ample time to stop safely. A case of bad training perhaps.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown