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What is this country coming to its pathetic people could die.



EDIT: Missed an R

While I think that the fine is totally unreasonable, it is not acceptable to break the law to help an ambulance past. While the law isn't always in the interest of safety, breaching it is likely to be unpredictable behaviour, and could cause another accident.

And I don't see why the ambulance didn't use or couldn't have used the bus lane.

Obviously do what ever is safe and legal to let emergency service vehicles past.

Rock. Hard-place. In-between A.

Go into the bus lane and break laws saying you cannot.
Don't go into the bus lane and impede an emergency vehicle, and then break the laws (Emergency Workers (Obstruction) Bill ) saying you cannot ?
Tough call.

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how to fight a bus lane fine...
http://www.ticketfighter.co.uk/bus.htm

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“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Is driving in a bus lane actually breaking the law though? Highway Code says:



No footnote referencing any part of motoring law, nor any use of MUST/MUST NOT.


Personally, I think that breaking a minor law to facilitate the progress of an emergency services vehicle shouldn't be grounds for prosecution - I'd suggest that if a police officer at the scene wouldn't so much as blink at the sight of you breaking whatever law it was to assist the emergency vehicle, then the same level of discretion should also be applied by the camera operator sat snug and warm in the processing office looking at the latest batch of photos/videos.

But if the powers that be want us all to be subservient little citizens of the state, not daring to put a foot wrong for fear of retribution from on high (or at least, the top of a CCTV pole), then they have to accept the side effects - less co-operation with all emergency services and increased levels of mistrust for the police (because, rightly or wrongly, it's the police who're always associated with camera-based penalties).





Comments I've read from emergency service drivers suggests they're reluctant to pass on the left because of the risk that the person they're passing gets spooked by the "sudden" (this is assuming the other driver is one of those clueless muppets who can't see/hear a set of blues'n'twos even when they're right up their arse) appearance of the emergency vehicle and swerves to the left in an instinctive move to get out of the way...

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Chris

So if you enter the bus lane and stopped that'd be a defence?



This is one of the most twisted and sadistic subserviant pressures, making you choose between possibly compromising someones chance of living, and self-intrest (licence [in the case of red light "offences"], and money you may not have). You defy the state and let the ambulance past and you lose, they win. You hold the ambulance up, you sacrifice your standards and your sense of whats right and decent, you lose, we all lose, they win. A society of people is manipulated to look out for number 1, and to think people still say to me "at least new labour aren't Thatcher". Cretins.



In additon to whats been said bus lanes are frequently blocked with unloading & parked vehicles, and ambulance may become locked in at traffic lights, instead of crossing to the other side of the road.

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