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weasel
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The so called "Charity" BRAKE is given tax breaks as a charity, this anti car organisation is not really interested in real road safety but is more like another mouthpiece for the various anti car groups that are sprouting up like cancers in the UK at the moment

Please visit http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/notobrakecharity/ and sign the petition to try and get the charity tax status removed from BRAKE



http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/notobrakecharity/

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Can a political lobby group maintain charitable status?

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weasel wrote:
The so called "Charity" BRAKE is given tax breaks as a charity, this anti car organisation is not really interested in real road safety but is more like another mouthpiece for the various anti car groups that are sprouting up like cancers in the UK at the moment

Please visit http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/notobrakecharity/ and sign the petition to try and get the charity tax status removed from BRAKE



http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/notobrakecharity/


If anyone has evidence that Brake is breaking the charity laws, let them report them to the charity Commission.

Brake may be a bunch of well-meaning but dangerous buffoons, but that does not mean they are breaking the charity laws! :wink:

Though they might be, which is why the Charity Commission should be informed...

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Yup.

Whilst I am all in favour of vox populi, some petitioners should really have a think before they post a petition demanding that the prime minister send the home secretary round to change a lightbulb for them.
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Apart from the fact that these petitions are a bit pointless, the new test for charities seems to be "is there a public benefit from their activities?"

I'm not sure of the answer to this in the case of Brake. Bereavement support maybe; other campaigning not sure.

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A quick google search reveals:

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To qualify for charitable status a body must be established in UK law for charitable purposes only and those purposes must be for the public benefit. If a body has a purpose which is non-charitable, (eg political activities) it will not qualify for charitable status, even if it is for public benefit.


My bold.

Makes you wonder...

(Source http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/charities/becoming/apply.htm)

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Sixy_the_red wrote:
A quick google search reveals:

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To qualify for charitable status a body must be established in UK law for charitable purposes only and those purposes must be for the public benefit. If a body has a purpose which is non-charitable, (eg political activities) it will not qualify for charitable status, even if it is for public benefit.


My bold.

Makes you wonder...

(Source http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/charities/becoming/apply.htm)


But road safety is non-political, surely? Even if the organisaiton concerned is, in all probability, wrong-headed and likely to reduce, rather than improve, road safety. :roll:

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you are not allowed to campaign for changes in the law but you can be involved in the consultation period of a new law
http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/reg ... hink.asp#4
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Charities can carry out political or campaigning activities to help achieve a charitable purpose, but a charity cannot have political aims. We advise anyone who is thinking about setting up a new charity to carry out work that is likely to be of a political nature to read our guidance Campaigning and Political Activities by Charities .

You cannot set up a charity with a political purpose. If you wish to pursue a political aim you will need to find an alternative to setting up a charity, such as setting up a non-charitable campaigning body or pressure group.






how does this fit in
http://www.brake.org.uk/index.php?p=269

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Hmm...is improved road safety a charitable goal? If so, surely SafeSpeed can apply for charitable status? :twisted:

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Sixy_the_red wrote:
Hmm...is improved road safety a charitable goal? If so, surely SafeSpeed can apply for charitable status? :twisted:


It probably could. :)

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Not sure I like the list of sponsors

http://www.brake.org.uk/index.php?p=5

Should government departments be sponsoring Brake? I do not think so.

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Brake - a campaign to improve road safety
Safespeed - a campaign to improve road safety

Brake has loads of corporate sponsors
Safespeed has none

Brake supports the "speed kills" philosophy of the Government.
Safespeed supports increased driver skills rather than cameras.

What have we done wrong?

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malcolmw wrote:
Brake - a campaign to improve road safety
Safespeed - a campaign to improve road safety

Brake has loads of corporate sponsors
Safespeed has none

Brake supports the "speed kills" philosophy of the Government.
Safespeed supports increased driver skills rather than cameras.

What have we done wrong?


Safespeed used common-sense instead of the ability to suck up to politicians and cosy up to big business, maybe? :lol:

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you are not allowed to campaign for changes in the law


Really!

Is the RSPCA a charity???

they campaign for changes in the law all the time!

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the page I read seams to have gone!

this appears to be the new line
http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/sup ... aignqa.asp

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What a surprise, you should have saved the original page. Gov websites monitor the hits they get....

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malcolmw wrote:
Brake - a campaign to improve road safety
Safespeed - a campaign to improve road safety

Brake has loads of corporate sponsors
Safespeed has none

Brake supports the "speed kills" philosophy of the Government.
Safespeed supports increased driver skills rather than cameras.

What have we done wrong?


Because we don't shout loud and use emotional blackmail?

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Hmmm.

Think of the children. Donate to Safespeed to save their lives. We believe in teaching them skills which will protect them for all their days.

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malcolmw wrote:
Hmmm.

Think of the children. Donate to Safespeed to save their lives. We believe in teaching them skills which will protect them for all their days.

:)


Not quite so snappy as 'Persecute!! KIIILL the heratic!!' though, is it? :roll:

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Perhaps we should rename ourselves BLAME and carry out witchhunts to ensure that someone (well, anyone driving a car) is held to be responsible for any accident - even if they are not.

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