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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/stor ... 53,00.html

Why on EARTH was a child of 7 allowed out on a quad bike on a public road?

Don't people stop to think about the results of their actions?:x

Yet the government's response to road safety is

1) Speed cameras
2) Speed cameras
3) Speed cameras
4) oh, yes, we nearly forgot... don't drink and drive
5) Even more speed cameras

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From the BBC:



Not quite so simple then. The report also says that the accident occurred in the evening. Do quad bikes have lights?

The Brake comment is great. Lots of demonising power and speed (even on private land) though it looks like this is irrelevant to the accident.

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God, I am now starting to HATE Break!

I thought that they were started out by people who had lost loved ones in tragic accidents? Yet here we have some Muppet from Brake using the death of a child to erroneously beat the anti-speed drum!

Brake are a bunch of who should and then themselves!

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If this is the same Shark Quad...

http://www.jaksquads.co.uk/quadzilla-proshark-typer.htm




Race developed engine?:?

And this -emphasis in original-


And I think any child of 7 would have to be considered to be a novice.

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If I read your post correctly:


So it might well be so simple.

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Talk about knee-jerk reaction from the Rozzers!

They must have such simple instructions in their computer programming!

1) If motorist present arrest motorist
2) RESULT!

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Don't be too hard on the rozzers... A child had been killed, the woman was probably a gibbering wreck after realising what has happened.

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We and I don't know if that woman was under any influence, but even so the father of those children should face some pretty stiff legal action. Even if those kids WERE 16 they still would not be able to ride those quads, the engines are too big.

If it were me involved I would be suing the father.

Just seen the news and they reported there were 2 quad bikes (for each of a farmer's children) going along behind his car. Very puzzling.

They should not have been on the road in any event but how did they hit the woman's Range Rover head-on if daddy was in front?

We will have to wait for a better exposition of just what happened.

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Malcolm W.
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There was a report from the scene on the national news about half an hour ago. The road in question is single track - it's possible she dipped out of the way to miss Daddy and then pulled back onto the road without seeing the kids perhaps?

I do agree that its bloody appauling that the media are automatically blaming the driver when the kids should NOT have been there.

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The report suggests that the woman may have been intoxicated?

Would this have been any different had the vehicle the girl was riding not had an engine? Say a push bike?

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Andrew.

But does "should NOT" cut it? According to what I have read here, we have to
drive within the limits we "know" are clear, and that includes changes. Do we
have to factor in margin to allow for circumstances that could change, e.g. 7
years old on a (quad) bike? Or do we assume that what we see if all there is?

When I was a lad, we played football in the street. Is that still OK?

I don't follow your change argument.

I was going to go off on one about possible circumstances, but I just read that the bikes had lights: updated article. Given that I find it difficult to conceive how the driver couldn’t have been at fault.


Of course, but if you were playing football, on a street with no lights, when it is dark (7pm during winter) and a car came along, would you have continued playing or instead gotten off the road?

Daily Telegraph



Here we go.

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A BiB might correct me, but AIUI a breath teast is automatic at the scene of a fatality or injury, and common at any RTA at certain times of year or day.

I suspect a passer-by told the paper they had seen the woman being breathalysed and the paper jumped to the wrong conclusion.

As to the ages of children related to ability, I see local children with all sorts of abilities beyond their years, so would not like to comment without knowing all the facts, but the parents should NOT be allowing any child on a public road, whatever ability they might have.

I saw this youngster on holiday in France, negotiate a challenging off road track on the motorcycle the instructor is sitting on.
He was about 4 or 5 years old!

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I imagine had the girl been on a pushbike she would have been higher up and more visible. Those quads are quite low down.

It's all conjecture though-there's nothing in any of the reports that actually says what happened in enough detail for any of us to make a comment.

Sixy's right though-the kids shouldn't have been there in the first place. That's the only conclusion we can come to that isn't conjecture.

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I know the lane that this happened on. It is 11'6" NSL with passing places. The quad shown on BBC Look East was one of those cheap Chinese copies with dynamo-driven lights that give a yellow glimmer to the front. My guess is that the father was shepherding the children home behind his car, the woman in the Rangie approaches a bit sharpish, dad heads for the weeds and leaves the girl exposed in the middle of the road. The collision occurred at 7pm in pitch darkness on an unlit rural road. The girl had no chance whatsoever and neither did the Rangie driver.
It is Essex Police policy to arrest all parties involved in a KSI pending results of blood/urine tests for drugs and alcohol, hence the woman in the Range Rover has been released without charge, but remains on bail pending SOCO reports.
IMHO, the person to blame is the father for allowing his underage children to drive non road-legal motor vehicles on the Public Highway on such a difficult road (or any road, for that matter). But then he will have a lot of time to consider this stupid action - something his daughter no longer has, poor little mite...

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Licat volare si super tergum aquila volat...

I, sadly, agree MGBGT. This appears to be yet another tragic example of a supposedly responsible parent suffering a total common sense failure and losing a child as a result.

would you take a 7 year old out on a push bike on an unlit country lane?
would you take them out even in day time on just the second day of owning that push bike?

I have a 7 year old neice and nephew and the answer would be no.

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Apparently the girl didn't seem too injured at the time, so the driver may well have been very careful. Conversely, the driver should have been able to see the stranded child in the road, even with the quad’s lights damaged.
Depending on how and how far in front of the car she fell, the driver could well have been careless or entirely blameless.

I don't think we have enough info to pass further comment.


However, it is said that the parents of the girl are now facing criminal charges, which I'm sad to say I agree with.