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And if the traffic ahead has stopped?

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Paul Smith
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Arguably an emergency then isnt it? Because if you continue you are going to crash.

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Ach! I think they mean under normal fast flowing conditions.
Rare but they happen .. usually off peak und prone to speedy pickin's

Back on continent - they will prosecute for not driving at the speed limit when overtaking.

French motorways (recent engineering rolling programme also have an emergency area in case you cannot merge in on joining too.

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I did go round that loop before I posted.

But I think it stretches common sense to breaking point. No, it isn't a bloody emergency! It's just a traffic jam.

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Paul Smith
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It is why motorcycles filter in traffic jams.

They don't want to break the law.

Oh look.

We're not supposed to stop on slip roads either.

So when I come to the roundabout at the end of a slip road with a give way line and my route ahead is obstructed by approaching traffic, I'm not allowed to stop there either?

This lot have UTTERLY lost the plot.

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Usually caused by some muppet 30 miles ahead touching brakes to cause a wave-jam-wave.. I think this linked to tailgating as well.

Or accident ahead..

Or just plain rush hour peaks of volume

Or.. er roadworks with the SPECS enforcing very low tempo limit

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Fine me for Safe Speed
(& other good causes..)

Greatest love & Greatest Achievements Require Greatest Risk
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So there is an exception to the rule which common sense dictates overrides the requirement of the HC.
Meh

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Yeah, but it's also a serious screw up. All rules are damaged by ill drafted rules.

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Paul Smith
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Ach! But at this point .. we did used to have "END OF MOTORWAY REGULATION" about 15 metres or so off.. along with RED "REDUCE SPEED NOW " signs.

But halt line mean give way to traffic already there.

I think they mean as you go down the ramp to join .. accelerating to merge neatly und safely into the existing flow. This was the old Rule 244

I have had to re-read the Code as it was my "anoraky party piece" :bounce: to make everyone around throw up by being able to list the Rule und its number

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Fine me for Safe Speed
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Greatest love & Greatest Achievements Require Greatest Risk
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Je ne regrette rien!

Interesting you think 'they' have lost the plot over instances that are quite readily governable by common sense, yet are quite happy with this one....

130
Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right.

If the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so.

Define 'necessary'. To overtake? Is overtaking ever necessary (genuine emergencies excepted) or just convenient?

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That has been in the HC for ages.

Broken white lines can be crossed. Solid can't. Doesn't matter about the hatching.

Sure, you know that! I've had this conversation with folks at work, and many think the hatching and lines means they can't, or shouldn't be used for overtaking.

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I'm more than happy with that rule. I actually think it's brilliant.

Shaded sections prevent a lot of risky overtaking near junctions by drivers who fail to appreciate the dangers.

But skilled drivers are free to exploit the tarmac after making full and appropriate safety checks. (With the sad exception of the possibility of debris).

As for the definition of 'necessary' that's part of the magic trick.

If I plan to overtake it is indeed on occasion necessary to drive over the shading.

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Paul Smith
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That some of your workmates don't know the Highway Code doesn't surprise me. I suspect most drivers only have a vague idea of what is (and is not) in it these days.

You could ask them about passing on Zig-zag lines. I had a copper try to do me for that once on my bike.

I won. I was in the right and he was wrong.

So what do you say to drivers who interpret the 'necessary' as meaning the manouvre and not the actual driving on the hatching. What if someone (as I witnessed on Friday evening) is so convinced they shouldn't be used for overtaking they position their van into such a position as to compromise the safety of the overtaking vehicle? How does this help road safety?

And how can you not see that differing interpretations of this rule is far worse than having common sense override the demands of another.

Bizzare!

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I'm pretty sure that the solid line only has the force of law:

a) On motorways
b) When it is part of a recognisable double white line system with central cats eyes.

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Paul Smith
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Yes, this is indeed an area of concern particularly where conflicts of understanding are likely to ocuur.
Where plain common sense will dictate our course of action is much less of a worry IMHO.

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Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

I've been exploiting the shading (when safe to do so) for a couple of decades. I have NEVER ONCE seen a problem arise.

The range of ability and experience on our roads is vast. Any rule that guides the 'lower skill groups' away from danger while leaving the higher skills groups free to make safe and appropriate decisions is brilliant in my book.

Now if we could pull off the same trick with speed limits...

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Paul Smith
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See rule 130 of H/C.