Safe Speed Forums

The campaign for genuine road safety
It is currently Fri Nov 13, 2026 22:13

All times are UTC [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 15 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 13:17 
Offline
Life Member
Life Member
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 30, 2005 22:02
Posts: 3266
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770
Quote:

New row over 6-point fine for speeding motorists
Drivers caught speeding could face six points on their license, under new Government plans.




Motorists caught doing 45mph in a 30mph zone could face six points on their licence - instead of three - in a bid to distinguish between drivers who marginally drive over the limit and those who completely flout the law.

It means that drivers coud lose their license after only just two speeding offences.

Transport ministers will set out the new proposals in a consultation paper expected to be published later this year.

Under the plans, a two-tier penalty system will be introduced, which will see those caught driving well over the limit facing tougher punishment.

Currently, almost all offences attract three points, regardless by how much the limit is exceeded.

Under the "totting-up" system, if drivers accumulate 12 points, they lose their licences.

Plans for a sliding scale were considered three years ago, but were dropped before the 2005 general election.

Under the original scheme, ministers proposed a two-point penalty and a reduced fine if the driver was caught exceeding the speed limit by a small margin.

But under pressure from road safety groups, the Government has now ditched the plans for a two-point penalty.

Currently, motorists are not prosecuted unless they exceed the speed limit by 10 per cent plus 2mph.

In an effort to counter claims that speeding fines are predominantly a method of generating cash, officials no longer plan to introduce higher fines for the worst offenders.

Instead they will receive the same flat fine of £60, which covers the cost of the scheme, but face a greater risk of losing their licence.

Officials are now debating how serious the offence must be before it attracts six points. Under current planning a driver going 45 mph in a 30 mph, for example, would attract a double penalty.

Ministers will not need to draft new legislation to bring in the changes, with last year's Road Safety Act already allowing the introduction of a sliding scale of penalties.

Motoring groups were last night cautious about the proposals.

Andrew Howard, the head of road safety at the AA, said the Government would have to introduce better road signage where speed limits dropped by more than 10 mph before introducing more severe penalties.

He said: "We would be concerned about a person getting extra points in a case where someone has missed the sign."

Robert Gifford, the executive director of the Parliamentary Advisory Council for Transport Safety, said: "The principle behind variable openly points is a sound one."

A spokesman for the Department of Transport said: "The Government will issue consultation on the fixed penalty system for speeding by the end of the year."

_________________
Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code


Last edited by anton on Mon Sep 10, 2007 16:00, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 13:28 
Offline
User
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 23, 2005 08:22
Posts: 2618
:banghead:

_________________
Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 13:32 
Offline
Friend of Safe Speed
Friend of Safe Speed
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2005 19:50
Posts: 3369
Location: Lost in the Wilderness
It’s going to be easy to exceed the limits by larger margins if they continue to lower the speed limits the way they are or, is that the idea.

Another thing, it might be just me but, are they dropping the lollipops on urban roads that denotes the end of a speed limit?

_________________
Useless laws weaken necessary laws.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 14:20 
Offline
User

Joined: Wed Jan 10, 2007 16:04
Posts: 816
If it comes in I would expect the number of people taking the court route to go up.

_________________
Prepare to be Judged


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 15:38 
Offline
Gold Member
Gold Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Mar 26, 2007 16:34
Posts: 4923
Location: Somewhere between a rock and a hard place
Yeah, that'll work!


:banghead: :headache: :hissyfit: :yuck: :censored: :hoppingmad: :furious:

You've ruined my day :wink:

_________________
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 15:56 
Offline
Life Member
Life Member
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 30, 2005 22:02
Posts: 3266
Sorry to ruin your day
but hey, the more regular voters that get nabed and banned will see the demise of the speed camera. we are more aware that joe public and hopefully more carefull.

_________________
Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 16:07 
Offline
Member
Member

Joined: Fri Apr 22, 2005 10:30
Posts: 2053
Location: South Wales (Roving all UK)
R1Nut wrote:
If it comes in I would expect the number of people taking the court route to go up.


Too right! Theres no way I would EVER accept a 6 point FPN. When you rasie the stakes to half your licence in one then it makes the court option far more attractive.

IMO the only justification for more than 3 points for exceeding the posted limit is if you were doing so in a dangerous manner (and then other offences should apply) In no way should more than 3 points be levied without a court hearing.

This country is governed by donkeys!

How does this government persist when they are so intent on disappearing up their own ar$es?


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 16:25 
Offline
Gold Member
Gold Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Mar 26, 2007 16:34
Posts: 4923
Location: Somewhere between a rock and a hard place
Just a sec Anton. I missed the obvious in my fury. :!:

If you're doing 30mph you are 70% less likely to kill someone than at 35mph. (It's about that I think, so they say)

So if at 35mph you are most likely going to kill someone what's the point in making 45mph the point at which your points are doubled?

It sounds to me like they're saying it's worse to kill someone at 35mph than at 45mph - but dead is dead isn't it?

Perhaps some bright spark will come up with treble points for 70mph next? Well you may as well kill someone in style. (no I'm not a sicko, but there's some really sick legislation out there)

If prevention is better than cure then safer driving is what's important. I wonder if the day will ever come when they realise this? (Rhetorical)

_________________
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 16:39 
Offline
User
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 23, 2005 08:22
Posts: 2618
Big Tone wrote:
If prevention is better than cure then safer driving is what's important. I wonder if the day will ever come when they realise this? (Rhetorical)


http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15574

:roll:

_________________
Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 16:39 
Offline
User

Joined: Wed Jan 10, 2007 16:04
Posts: 816
Big Tone wrote:
Perhaps some bright spark will come up with treble points for 70mph next? Well you may as well kill someone in style. (no I'm not a sicko, but there's some really sick legislation out there)


Careful Tone, they'll be ringing you up to offer you a job :lol:

_________________
Prepare to be Judged


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 16:51 
Offline
Gold Member
Gold Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Mar 26, 2007 16:34
Posts: 4923
Location: Somewhere between a rock and a hard place
I don't know why they don't just hack my balls off for doing 1mph over so that I can't contaminate the rest of the world with my speeding gene?

There could be a production line of all the speeders going down a track with a big hairy man at the end holding a brick in each hand. Maybe someone like Hairyben? :wink:

Not sure how it would work for the girls :?:

My ex wife would be happy to do mine - she had everything else in the divorce. :lol:

_________________
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 17:02 
Offline
Member
Member

Joined: Thu Jun 23, 2005 02:50
Posts: 2868
Location: Dorset
Dixie wrote:
It’s going to be easy to exceed the limits by larger margins if they continue to lower the speed limits the way they are or, is that the idea.

Yeah, especially the stupidly low ones they are putting in now for sudo-roadworks.

_________________
Andrew.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 03:39 
Offline
User

Joined: Wed Jun 28, 2006 04:11
Posts: 171
Location: South East
Daily Mail wrote:
A spokesman for the Department of Transport said: "The Government will issue consultation on the fixed penalty system for speeding by the end of the year

Wonder if their deputy leader will be consulted:- http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15607


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 03:46 
Offline
User

Joined: Wed Jun 28, 2006 04:11
Posts: 171
Location: South East
Daily Mail wrote:
In an effort to counter claims that speeding fines are predominantly a method of generating cash, officials no longer plan to introduce higher fines for the worst offenders.

Instead they will receive the same flat fine of £60, which covers the cost of the scheme, but face a greater risk of losing their licence

Oh yeah?

Could this be tested under the same rules that cover excessive bank charges?


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 08:41 
Offline
Gold Member
Gold Member
User avatar

Joined: Mon Mar 26, 2007 16:34
Posts: 4923
Location: Somewhere between a rock and a hard place
cabbie wrote:
Daily Mail wrote:
In an effort to counter claims that speeding fines are predominantly a method of generating cash, officials no longer plan to introduce higher fines for the worst offenders.

Instead they will receive the same flat fine of £60, which covers the cost of the scheme, but face a greater risk of losing their licence

Oh yeah?

Could this be tested under the same rules that cover excessive bank charges?


It's nothing new - you can generate more revenue in two ways: charge less people a huge amount or more people with the same amount.

Won't be long before they re-introduce the window tax at this rate :roll:

_________________
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 15 posts ] 

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 19 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You can post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
[ Time : 0.013s | 12 Queries | GZIP : Off ]