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Just a quick one.

Last Wed I may or may not have been caught by a mobile speed camera on a road where there are no speed camera warning signs.

My question is can I be charged with a speeding offence after being snapped by a mobile camera on an area of road where there are no speed camera warning signs. I had previously believed that there had to be speed camera warning signs.

I would like to point out that I do not usually flaunt speed limits.

Cheers.

Hi pmaths. This should answer your question.

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Thanks Smeggy.

Not quite 100% clear.

To clarify - is it the case that until Mar 2007 it was true that you are not liable where there are no speed camera warning signs but that since Mar 2007 mobile speed camera's can be placed in any location regardless of warning signs and that you will be liable to prosicution from a resultant detection/photo.

Cheers.

Nope. As stated in the linked thread, their not abiding by these rules do not provide any mitigation of, or defence for, an alleged offence committed under current UK law. Source.
An offender was (and is) still liable even if the warning signs are defective.

The Police have always been able to place speed traps anywhere they like.
The Cash-Camera Partnerships have been governed by 'guidelines' which, they have always claimed, set no precedent in law. If you get caught it's hard luck in practice.

Just as a bye-the-bye, today's Southampton Daily Echo has some nice photographs of a camera van parked completely on the pavement policing the 30mph limit in the roadworks on Millbrook Road. Of course the 30 signs are partially obscured and they are parked just off a short slip road where heavy traffic is merging and your attention is elsewhere.

Sorry, these photos are not on their website.

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Following a recent High Court case, if the terminal signs are obscured, the=at makes the limit unenforceable

Here's the Echo story. Still no pictures. I've boldened a few good bits:

Speed camera misery

MOTORISTS trying to negotiate the nightmare roadworks on Southampton's Mountbatten Way found they faced a new threat yesterday.

Parked immediately around the bend from the Redbridge Junction with the M271 was a mobile speed camera.

The van - parked on the pavement - was set behind roadworks signs and a short distance from the 30 mph signs that themselves were part hidden by traffic lights.

Drivers using the main route into the city during the evening rush hour last night found themselves faced with the added hazard of breaking vehicles as motorists spotted the trap.

One angry driver told the Daily Echo: " It was appaling. Negotiating that junction where lanes converge is bad enough without having to keep checking your speed and watching for other cars slamming on their brakes.

"It was an obvious trap set up there to raise money. Have they nothing better to do?"

Roadworks started on Mountbatten Way last week and are due to run until September. Parts of the vital dual carriageway have reduced speed limits of just 20mph.

It wasn't known whether the cameras were being operated by Hampshire Police or the Hampshire Safety Camera Partnership.

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The bad spelling and grammar are a straight lift from the Echo website.

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