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In the current climate, it doesn't matter how good or bad any particular driver is...

Provided there is plenty of cash in his (or her) wallet !

Theft is something the police have specialised in solving for two centuries - they're now putting whatthey've learned to good use in all that time.

£ SIXTY QUID £ a time.

Ker-ching go the tills at the SCP.
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Gixxer wrote:
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That driver will never listen to SafeSpeed’s advice – he’s already Mr. Perfect. Like (almost) all blokes, he has an enormous ego. Ask your wife, if you are married, for an honest assessment! I just hope it doesn’t end your marriage!!

I think you will find that people who drive (or have driven) at competition level have absolutely no desire to drive the same way on a public road at all.



True Gixxer. Our lads find it a relief to drive a a more leisurely pace after some hectic days. :wink:

Racing and rally driving have a different feel and requirement. This does not mean that you cannot apply some techniques into normal driving - by this I mean the variances and difference between the three main steeering styles, heel and toe techniques, balanced throttle, cadence, rythm, trail and interference braking techniques can all help avoid an incident on the road. Thus - healthy to learn how to do them on track! :wink:

And great fun as well! :twisted: :twisted: :lol: :twisted:

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Look, blokes are like that, gixxer. We don’t ‘listen’ to people telling us how crap we are. We just get out our size 12 club and beat them over the head, end of story. At least, a good proportion do.

And those are the ones in my sights. For those guys, you need a size 22 club - a speed camera!

As I said before BW, the bloke (or bird) who is going to drive however they feel and without consideration for other road users doesn't give a stuff for the camera.
They are invariably in a car that is not registered to anybody, and when it does start to draw too much attention, it is simply sold on and another vehicle is purchased to enable them to start all over again.


Again true - which is why old fashioned "dinosaurs" like me are much better at hunting and gobbling them all up! :twisted: :shock: :twisted:


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PaulF wrote:
In the current climate, it doesn't matter how good or bad any particular driver is...

Provided there is plenty of cash in his (or her) wallet !

Theft is something the police have specialised in solving for two centuries - they're now putting whatthey've learned to good use in all that time.

£ SIXTY QUID £ a time.

Ker-ching go the tills at the SCP.


Ah! But the SCP work and apply differently. Real BiB (cough - ahem) use some discretion based purely on what they actually observe within professional reason. Also - we can follow and judge the driving and the attitude - and do some sleuthing too! :wink:

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In Gear wrote:
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In the current climate, it doesn't matter how good or bad any particular driver is...

Provided there is plenty of cash in his (or her) wallet !

Theft is something the police have specialised in solving for two centuries - they're now putting whatthey've learned to good use in all that time.

£ SIXTY QUID £ a time.

Ker-ching go the tills at the SCP.


Ah! But the SCP work and apply differently. Real BiB (cough - ahem) use some discretion based purely on what they actually observe within professional reason. Also - we can follow and judge the driving and the attitude - and do some sleuthing too! :wink:


IG, and other REAL BiB, you know I love you all really - don't you?

It's these fucking parasites who operate using the shield of your good name to weave and thieve who really are the ultimate object of my venom. Don't take it personally, in all your posts, you strike me as someone who does it for the right reasons and who isn't 'power-pissed'.

I do believe you when you say just because we CAN do this or that doesn't mean we WILL do this or that. Discretion: I am sure as I could be I'd have no worries if tailed by your good self - because I don't drive aggressively and if you stopped me for a technical reason, I'm pretty sure you'd let me go

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Pete317 wrote:
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As you say, groups are coarse, and one solution is to improve the model with specific, high-resolution data. As you know, I believe that is absolutely inevitable. But you are opposed to it, for some reason, aren’t you?


And I think I know exactly what kind of specific data you're thinking of - I don't even need to say it, do I?


I was thinking that any data can be put in a data warehouse, and people will find innovative uses for it. Check out this, which will give all manner of data about London traffic trends: http://www.computing.co.uk/2140433

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The problem is, unless they know exactly what data is important, they'll collect the wrong data - and that data, besides being useless for the purpose, is likely to be used for all sorts of other stuff.


That’s right. They won’t just collect the wrong data or the right data. They’ll collect ALL the data that can be economically collected, and then find new things to do with it.

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I would have no objection to a 'black box' type data recorder, which recorded everything - including a video of the road ahead - for a period of, say, 10 seconds prior to a collision.


That will only collect data that can be got at when a crash occurs, which is diametrically opposite SafeSpeed’s view that near-misses are important too. As you say in your .sig, when two opposite points of view are expressed with equal intensity, the truth is not in the middle!

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I was thinking that any data can be put in a data warehouse, and people will find innovative uses for it.


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They won’t just collect the wrong data or the right data. They’ll collect ALL the data that can be economically collected, and then find new things to do with it.


Yes, they will find innovative uses for it, a fact which anyone with a modicum of common sense should find deeply disturbing.
'Data dredges', as they are known, find 'statistically significant' links between unrelated sets of data, and, taken out of context, lead to all sorts of dodgy conclusions.
These 'data dredges' have been responsible for all sorts of shenanigans - like the banning of innocuous household chemicals which have been used for centuries.

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That will only collect data that can be got at when a crash occurs, which is diametrically opposite SafeSpeed’s view that near-misses are important too. As you say in your .sig, when two opposite points of view are expressed with equal intensity, the truth is not in the middle!


No, I wasn't opposing anything. Crashes are easy to detect, but how is a system going to reliably detect near misses?
It's all very well saying that one should therefore record all data, but you should know 1) how much bandwith that would require, especially with the vital video data, and 2) you'd end up with tens or hundreds of thousands of hours worth of data for each incident - how are you going to sift through that in any meaningful way?

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