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I don't think I have said that a person should drive continuously in L2 irrespective of traffic conditions

However, if you think that lane swapping at 80mph on a motorway (when busy) is conducive to good driving then I am not entirely convinced.

I have no sympathy for that, you want to debate the issue so engage your brain and give some thought to what you are saying and who you are saying it to before you bang out a response. If its getting too complicated for you then say so.



If you don't know what it is, how can you know one way or the other whether false dilemma logical fallacies are being offered? As you clearly just shooting from the lip and can't be bothered to go and find anything out for yourself other than what you already know (or think you know), a false dilemma logical fallacy is to suggest that in a given situation there are only two options; the one you propose and another outrageous proposition that is designed to demonstrate that only your own idea is right.



They are making an attempt to use the motorway properly. And your singling out of those two car makes suggests you have a rather nasty prejudice smouldering away beneath the bonfire of nonsense you are spouting in this thread.



Correct. Your 'end-of-the-pier comedian' repsonses to our coherent arguments do not follow and suggest that you are rather disingenous in claiming to want to analyse the psychology of mlm'ing



If it is a look at the views and prejudices of drivers on live issues, why can you only respond to properly thought out argments with facile comments?

You are either very poor at debating or are simply taking the piss Cooler.

Oh, and I just spotted



You still don't get it, I think we're talking about entirely different traffic situations. I (and I guess quite a few others) consider an MLM to be a driver that sits in L2 when the road is comparitively quiet. If you're nose to tail with the car in front (obviously a safe distance back, before you try and sidetrack this again) then no-one is suggesting that you should pull to the left.

If there is no-one ahead of you, and no-one to your left, then pull to the left. That's not the same thing as "lane swapping at 80mph on a motorway (when busy)" because we're not talking about a busy motorway. On a busy motorway - busy enough for there to be a constant line of vehicles in each lane but not so busy that the normal speed differential has broken down - you are effectively constantly overtaking traffic in the lane to your left, so there is no need to pull to the left.

I'm sorry if I'm repeating myself, but it seems to be necessary.

But, the real comparison is between the L2 driver who wants to linger in that lane unreasonably and the driver who bullies that driver out of that lane with threatening driving behaviour. I have noticed a marked lack of enthusiasm here to condemn the bully driver; although not by everyone.

I have noticed a marked lack of enthusiasm here to condemn the bully driver; although not by everyone.

Came upon another one today on the M6 going north. Travelling at around 60-65 in L2, with himself and girlfriend eating a fish supper !!

The nearest I got to an answer to one of my big questions was:



You see that's the message you're giving, through all the silly answers. Perhaps you need to get back to basics:

So tell me, if my lane philosophy is "keep left unless overtaking", what is yours, in a single phrase?

Close to getting away without being challenged on this ... but don't open the champagne yet

As far as I'm aware this thread is about driving in the middle lane of a motorway, not the behavior of other drivers in relation to that, so I for one wouldn't expect there to be much comment about that. By this statement I do believe you are inferring that the majority of people in this forum agree that bullying tactics are justified when they come across drivers behaving in ways they disagree with ... would that be a fair comment? If not what is the inference you draw from the statement?

If my interpretation is accurate, I suggest you start a post specifically about bullying tactics, in order that you might actually read what other forum member's opinions on the matter actually are, and not draw inferences from answers to a completely different question.

You might just find for instance that many ppl try not to encourage threads to go too far off topic and therefore endeavour to confine answers to the question rather than take the discussion into other areas

You’re quite right they can’t, that’s why motorway driving has become what it is today.

If someone is needlessly (and I stress needlessly) piddling along in L2 then some other moron is going to get pissed off with the original moron. Both are in the wrong.

Hogging the middle lane is usually the sign of a timid and incompetent driver; bullying behaviour is usually the sign of an aggressive and incompetent driver. I deplore both.

In general if we assume that a minority cannot influence the majority to effect improvements why are we all here on Safespeed?

toltec,

Good point. I hold a minority view here on this thread, but I am still hoping to have some influence.

C.

Johnny,

I've given this some careful thought and I would say that my lane philosophy is "Keep left unless overtaking".

If so, wonderful! What are we all arguing about?

The definition of overtaking?