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Not if it meant more collisions, no!

Can you really not see that it is better to have a squillion near misses than one fatal collision? If low BACs increase the former and decrease the latter consitently, then how can it be a bad thing?!

Do drivers with zero alcohol not cause near misses? Do drivers with low alcohol levels cause more near misses than ones with zero?

I'm getting like a broken record saying this, but it is simply incredible that drivers with low alcohol levels are having fewer accidents in relation to those with zero alcohol, but more near misses.

I think you've lost sight of objectivity on this and are arguing on emotive grounds.

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Heh. Even the likes of Callaghan and Brunstrom have never said anything along the lines of "Well KSI may be up, but near misses are down, so that's OK".

Sorry fisherman, I'm with the others on this.

Neither have I.

I have no idea and as far as I am aware neither does anybody else.



I merely pointed out that, valuable though it is, the Borkenstein study only covers accidents and I think there would be value in a study along similar lines that deals with near misses.
Anything else that has been read into my posts is the product of the imaginations of the posters.

Guys, Still say nowt wrong with a drink in moderation. Respect food and drink

We established penalty pointing but no ban umpteen pages ago at low limits.

UK wants to the lower limit to bring into line with other EU states.

UK does not intend same outcome. This does not "harmonise" justice.


My own personal stance. Just do not drink and allow your body at least 12 hours to recover if you drink a skinful on empty. Even then "listen to your body }

I cannot as a professional knowing all outcomes post otherwise. I am no killjoy. I hope I post common sense values.

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Of course that would be preferable. Even better would be to lower the incidence of near misses as well.


Given that BACs are not predictable, even in the same individual, and that the affect on motor skills, hand eye co-ordination etc of a specific BAC are also not predictable we will probably never know if low BACs do indeed decrease accidents.

Can I ask how you know this?

As far as I am aware the possibility of lowering the limit is only being talked about and any sentencing structure to accompany lower limits hasn't even got that far.

AIUI Ladyman (who has now lost his job) said that he believed keeping the same penalty for a lower limit would be the most straightforward option, and the one he supported.

But it is all up for grabs, and what was widely predicted didn't happen last time, so there is hope.

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