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Yes. The impoverishment of the culture through too much TV is to blame. That welsh bloke, Humphrys, was spot on when he said that TV is seedy, cynical and harmful to society.

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I agree that TV has played its part in damaging our society; it's like the kid who starts an argument, just to see what happens, and then vanishes whilst his mates fall out over it

But I firmly believe it runs deeper than that. Over the last 30 years Britain, probably more than any other western democracy, has undergone massive social and cultural change. The people in their 20s to 30s living here today are unrecognisable in terms of their attitudes, aspirations and expectations to those who were around in, lets say, the 70s.
Personal wealth, independence, hedonism and above all individualism are the norms of today, but unfortunately I think we are forgetting how to behave and how to get along with one another. There is barely a day goes by without a story emerging somewhere suggesting that:

We are bad drivers
We are bad parents
We are selfish
We are greedy
We are materialistic

But in the context of the original post, obeyance of the rules (whatever they may be)is today seen as being conformist or narrow minded, rather than simply being a good citizen. And that stems from what I believe is our greatest weaknes...arrogance. Too many people think they know better than the rule setters. Too many people think their own opinion overrides that of others, or that the rules don't apply to them. And, as a result, too many people end up being cut from wrecked cars, or rescued from icy mountainsides, or having their house propped up whilst their DIY is undone.

If you like a controversial look at British society today, get a copy of The Abolition of Britain by Peter Hitchens. They guy has some odd takes on things, but it's an eye opener to say teh least.

I hate to insult anyone, I don't want to start a fight, but isn't that what we're doing, here?
It's been said, here that the speed limits are set wrong, that the rules on enforcing them are too strict, that the way evidence is gathered is wrong. Isn't that us saying we know better than whoever it is who sets the speed limits. and isn't the discussuion on this thread saying that we know better than whoever set the rules about pedestrians?

I totally agree, people do need to be re-educated when it comes to what roads are for, and many of the rules which are in place are wrong, but surely by saying this, i forfeit any kind of argument where I can try to say "you're in the wrong because you think you know better" by default?

As I belive I've said before, I'm just a dumb kid, tell me I'm wrong?

It's a bit of a spectrum of opinion, Beetling. There are some arguments that
have been put forth on cameras. There are also some simple members of the yahoo brigade who've been pinged and now have a testosterone surge.



It's also been said that the principle behind speed limits is sound, that some tweaking is necessary but limits without enforcement are not limits at all.



Define 'we', Beetling.

that sounds Stalinist wrong for you perhaps, but not for all

That's right - its political. If I stand one side and you stand on the other and we just insult each other and have fun, we are not being political. But if we try to understand our problems and collaborate together to find a mutual compromise, our solution will stand for longer.



No need to hide your light under a bushel, Beetling.

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They certainly have some strange rules over hanging out the washing, washing the car,mowing the lawn, putting out the wheelie bin and flushing the lav in the middle of the night .....

As for Switzerland - Wildy's Swiss newspapers from home are full of some kind of very violent domestic tiff and murder... Not quite as pleasant underneath as it seems on the surface - mate.

The soaps - which portray divorce, rampant affiars with every other person in the cul-de-sac - whatever - as the norm - and where such immortal dialogue such as

"Willieee-eckers"

"Ya sillee owuld care"

"dan the bizknees"

"urrrgumph"

"Sorted"

exists - and don't ask me what it means either - this is what I understand happens from our Tel on the radio ...




Diet of soaps, dumbed down TV, easy-peasy exams - which nobody fails and everyone gets top grades .... yet still cannot add up and only take-aways they manage (and get wrong) are those in McYuckys...



The isolate mouse potato society which testiculates and lives in a cube farm ..... and has seagull managers ..... (The ones who come along, **** all over you and then ***** off again )




This is myth from the prats (who are seagull managers )



The handful who tarnish us all....



Not so much arrogance as lack of common sense, and result of dumbed down everything.... People cannot read - which is why they do not read the instructions on the tins, boxes, etc ....And if they can read - they do not comprehend what they read (English comprehension exercises do not seem to feature in today's English classrooms - my kids (at private school do this) and the fostered children (at state school) do not.

Asked the teacher about this - and was told "This is difficult exercise for them "

Indeed, my brother visited there and when himself and his misses crossed the road, they got looks of shock and horror. Akin to them taking a dump on their table at a restaurant

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