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FYI...........http://www.trl.co.uk/abstracts/595summary.pdf

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Speed camera policy Kills

Is there any justification for the highway authority to compare these two sets of figures in their summary of trl 595?

I must admit that, with all due respect to safe speed, I did often think that the powers that be would not knowingly mislead/lie to us in the way safe speed implied. This latest information has finally pulled the wool from my eyes and I must admit I am a bit shocked. I now firmly believe they lie and distort to prove the unprovable. I am only left with the question WHY?

The TRL595 news is spreading slowly (far too slowly for my liking actually). This Google should give an up-to-date picture about how far it's got.

Some people here: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/200508 ... 29_F.shtml don't like our analysis.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Can these people argue without ad hominem attacks?

Yes, sometimes they use straw-man arguments instead.

Roadwork cameras have a close cousin in my book - matrix boards with out of date information.

Today, northbound M6 between Lancaster south and north junctions at 1.25 pm, lanes 1,2 and 3 fairly busy, when the central matrix markers suddenly indicated 30 mph.
All three lanes braked - with some more violently than others, with a consequent scramble to avoid the car in front.

There had obviously BEEN an incident earlier, because on the southbound side there were police officers on the hardshoulder on foot.
Further up there was a vehicle on the shoulder, behind a TrafPol Volvo.

Whilst the matrix itself is merely an indicator, the behaviour of one or two drivers made it perilous for the right thinking drivers who were alert, and taking suitable precautions.

There were two matrix's lit with 30, and NO obvious cause for ANY possible alarm on the northbound carriageway.

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

I travel through the M1 SPECS quite a lot and I am not surprised in the least that there is an increased risk of accidents with this sort of enforcement.

There is an increased risk due to vehicles travelling too close, especially across the 2 or 3 lanes at the same speed.

There is an increased risk due to people concentrating on maintaining a very low speed at the expense of every other aspect of road safety. Fear of prosecution, loss of livelihood, costly insurance, etc.

There is an increased risk due to poor lane discipline and slow speed overtaking and undertaking.

And most crucially there is increased risk due to workforce in the road, cones, signs, contraflows, etc.

This is the worst case of speed limiting and enforcement and flies in the face of common sense. At least the works only stretch for a short distance.

Questions in the House:

27 Oct 2005 : Column 503W

Motorway Roadworks (Safety)

Mr. Baron: To ask the Secretary of State for Transport what policy considerations underlay the decision not to publish the Transport Research Laboratory report entitled "Safety performance of traffic
management at major motorway roadworks (TRL595)". [22135]

Dr. Ladyman: It is Government policy that whenever possible reports of research carried out at public expense should be made available to the public. The policy considerations underlying the decision on the
form of publication of research reports is based on the cost of publication and the potential public interest in the subject matter.

The Executive Summary of the TRL Report "Safety performance of traffic management at major motorway road works. (TRL 595)—2004" was published on the Highways Agency Research Compendium
website in 2004. A link to the TRL website is available from which copies of the full report may be purchased.
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If it's government policy to publish, Dr Ladyman, how come I had to pay £40 for a PDF copy?

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

With no leading 50s?

That sounds very, very wrong to me.

So Mr ladyman is saying that he thinks there is no public interest in a report that demonstrates that cameras are killing people.