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What on earth are you on about?! You're saying that 20 is better than 30, I'm asking why not make it 10 in that case? I really have not the faintest clue what your response meant!

I'D suggest he's off on his trike again , trying to get under the bridge. To me the test of driving is looikng out for problems /recognising them ,as in my example of feet under a car , and reacting to them .
You see kid ahead on pavement, before you know it ,brain has slowed car right down ,so that when kid runs out, you can stop,and sound horn in indignation . That's driving ,supported by an understanding of the COAST principles.

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Absolutely! Wouldn't you?

No.

...and I don't believe you either.

It's possible in trike mode

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

My experience ,based on one particular road ( only one in town) with a limit ( we have several estate roads /areas with this , which don't seem tho have the same idiotic effect on pedestrains) is that this is now seen as a road where the pedestrian can amble about ( almost as if peds have right of way ,and their appearance in crossing a road with flowing traffic means that peds can do this with impunity) with no respect for traffic volume. Perhaps in the quest for this sort of areas, HMG might have /must now look at some form of jaywalking laws.

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Site is blocked at work but would it have been reasonable to predict that someone would have stepped out into the road or is this some freak accident where a person dropped from the sky? Given the site in question I'm guessing the latter.

Close, a lad runs across the pavement from a stage left and jumps the pedestrian safety railings straight into the path of a bus.

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Driving fast is for a particular time and place, I can do it I just only do it occasionally because I am a gentleman.
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Which is travelling WAY too fast for the given environment...

In the US it's illegal to cross a road where there isn't a crossing, and illegal to cross when the crossing signals prohibit it.

You want the same laws in the UK?

If we do, how are you going to get to your car when it's across the road. Use the nearest crossing and patiently wait until the man goes green even if there are no vehicles coming? Seriously?

That will result in pretty much one thing, many more crossings. Be careful what you wish for!

We've been through this.

If one year you have zero roads that are 20mph and the next year 100 the number of incidents in 20mph areas will most likely go up infinity percent.

And, ar the same time you have 100 30 mph roads and the next year zero 30mph roads, incidents in 30mph roads will go down infinity percent.

It's not hard.

I know maths is a weak spot for you but have the number of 20MPH zones risen by 24%? If not and I'm sure they haven't, that shoots down your argument (not that i would expect you to understand why).

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Given the total idiots wandering along the road? Yes probably, still, throwing yourself at a bus is going hurt even if it isn't moving.

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Driving fast is for a particular time and place, I can do it I just only do it occasionally because I am a gentleman.
- James May

Yeah, and if Weepy had his way, it would STILL be the bus driver's fault - 'cause even stationary, it's still heavier than a pedestrian!

How fast is it going?

Clearly too fast.

You really haven't a clue how fast he was going, have you? All you can say is something along the lines of "...because this accident happened, whatever he was doing, it was too fast...". Let's face it, you could have sat watching that CCTV camera all day and you wouldn't even have noticed the bus if this hadn't happened!

You do your cause no credit with statements like that. You're the one always ranting on about speed limits and the motoring public's general scant regard for them, so come on, tell us what the speed limit SHOULD be in towns where there are pedestrians (and pedestrian barriers like the ones in that clip). Might I be right in thinking that suddenly, 20 is "rather more than plenty"?

Just one last question. Would you regard the bus driver as having been at fault for that accident?

I've said it before, a 20 mph default limit replacing 30 limits across all our towns and cities with ability for exceptions on certain roads and a redesign of many roads removing pedestrian barriers which only go to sending the message that the road is a fast one, even when it's not.

But it's a limit remember, down narrow roads I rarely travel at the limit. Dead slow basically.

And yes, I do think the bus driver should've been being much more careful in such an environment.

I don't think that bus was doing 20 at the time of the incident. Do you therefore want 10 MPH limits in all areas such as that one? Maybe 5MPH limits if you remove the barriers? Do you not think there's a certain irony in your suggestion that barriers give a signal to drivers that "it's a fast road"? If that's the signal you get, I certainly hope you don't drive! To me, (and I imagine most sane drivers!) it sends the signal that it's an area of high pedestrian density, but maybe I'm odd like that?!) Do you not think there's a further irony that the same barriers DON'T appear to send the signal to pedestrians that it's a "fast" road??

As you might imagine, I couldn't be further towards the opposite end of the spectrum to you in my interpretation of this. A teenage lad (not a toddler) takes a running jump, and vaults over the barrier RIGHT into the nearside front corner of a bus (which would have stood no chance of stopping at 5MPH let alone 10 or 20) and YOU think it was the bus driver's fault???