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Yes, sorry about that. I got worked up... you know...

Anyway, look, numpties, it's funny because we'll all become one. You know, a little bungalow in Llanduddno and little fiat to drive to the sands with the dog...

Didn't arrogant, selfish drivers used to be known as road hogs?

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By that definition a numpty must be Welsh

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I was thinking about what to call Abercrombie's misconception of a numpty on the way home, and this was the only existing term I could come up with.

Another numpty trait to add to the list: one or more non-functional light, esp. brake light.

Surely, from peoples definition here, this begs the question how does a Numpty ever get through the driving test?

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

I would say because the test including the hazard perception is a farce, I present mine as an example:

Ok it took me six attempts at the driving test.

1. Failed for incorrect emergency stop - the examiner didn't hear the tyres squeeling. Hang on that would have meant that the car was in a skid, I thought it was supposed to be controlled.

2. Poor observation - He decided this as I wasn't moving my head enough.

3. Excessive head movement - WTF !!!

4. Not being aggressive enough

5. Being too aggresive

6. Despite stalling the car, misjudging a gap and creeping over the limit I managed to pass.

And that's even before we start looking at the things that the test doesn't cover...

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We could be here til the end of days and still not have an exhaustive list for the traits of a numpty driver. I think the crux of the matter is that if you have to ask then there's a fairly good chance you are one!

I would place a lack of consideration for other road users, deliberate or through ignorance, fairly near the top of the list.

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Regulation without education merely creates more criminals.

Care to explain?

There's a saying in the military: "Every group has a c**t, if you don't know who it is, it's probably you!"

Similarly if one is unable to identify a numpty driver.

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Regulation without education merely creates more criminals.

A similar (and somewhat more suitable for us sensitive civvies) definition is the old:

"They've never had a road accident, but they've seen hundreds".

The person described by that old joke is your definitive numpty driver.

Who is unable to identify a numpty driver? Not sure of the relevance.

It wasn't directed at anyone, it's a general principle.

You asked.

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Regulation without education merely creates more criminals.

I suppose if the military was the target audience it works, given the way the military works. For the general population it is a bit recursive.

For me a numpty drier is a driver who useless but harmless, you just stay out of their way and let them get on with it or not as the case may be

I.e. [sic] a Nissan Micra driver (my only predjudice).

I've seen a Nissan Micra driver beach themselves on a concrete divide splitting two seperate routes on the A406; the numpty.

The guy in a porsche that does 110mph down the outside of a stationary queue of traffic is not a numpty but a suicidal homicidal maniac.

and then...



Are you sure the Micra driver is your ONLY predjudice?

Raises a more interesting point though. The guy who drives sufficiently inattentively or has sufficiently poor eyesight not to notice something minor in the road (like a dirty great lump of concrete dividing section) is "harmles" and the guy in the Porker doing 110 is "homicidal / suicidal".

I'd have thought they could be equally lethal to be honest!

Don't be daft mole, only one of them is dangerous because only one of them is going above the speed limit!

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Regulation without education merely creates more criminals.

How can somebody useless in charge of a ton plus of machinery be harmless? Somehow I don't think anyone that rides a bike would agree.

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Driving fast is for a particular time and place, I can do it I just only do it occasionally because I am a gentleman.
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Particularly when the harmless Micra driver pulls out in front of the Porker.

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Driving fast is for a particular time and place, I can do it I just only do it occasionally because I am a gentleman.
- James May

so, B cyclist, we have all given our version of what we believe to be a "numpty " driver, so what is your's?

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

When someone shows incompetence through lack of ability, risk awareness, skill and judgement, plus the obvious inattention, care and consideration of other road users and for their own safety too.
Someone in this 'state' may be temporary, (a one off oddity) or a gradual and consistent decline, in driver skill and ability, that may eventually reflect a low consistant inability, to drive without due consideration to all other road users, on a regular level.
Their predictable behaviour can usually be quickly identified to the attentive aware driver, so that ample additional space can be created and retained until further safety measures can be implemented.
Over concentration to one's own 'drive' can make other's driving less 'visible', so, if identifying these poor driving skills, very early on, hadn't taken place, then I would have to question why. Are the tale-tell signs there before the (various and many) 'numpty behaviours'?

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