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Dear Mr ****

I have already explained the police stance on this issue. I suggest you address your concerns to DCC

Regards
David Skinner

Traffic Management Officer

Operations Division

Derbyshire Constabulary

Tel: 01773 572215 (ext.) 700 2215 (int.)

e-mail: david.skinner.6875@derbyshire.pnn.police.uk



-----Original Message-----
From: *]
Sent: 23 October 2007 22:58
To: Skinner, David, 6875
Subject: Re: Internet Enquiry Form


I use the A515 every day that I go to work. I was not given the opportunity to object to the speed reduction as it had not been advertised to me, in time. The first I knew of it was via the internet when it was too late. Where is the democracy in that ?
Can we not emphaise that road safety is about attention, appropriate speed and awareness of other road users?
My eldest son was hit as a pedestrian, last week, by a car, he was lucky. The incident had nothing to do with exceeding a posted speed limit.

NB Road users other than car drivers should be ripe for prosecution.

----- Original Message -----
From: David.Skinner.6875@Derbyshire.PNN.Police.UK
To: *
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 12:54 PM
Subject: FW: Internet Enquiry Form


Dear Mr. ****

We did express our concern to Derbyshire County Council when they first proposed a reduction in the speed limit on the A515 from 60mph to 50mph. We felt this limit was unrealistic, bearing in mind that this is an old Roman road - straight with good forward views. The County Council is responding to a government directive which requires speed limits on all 'A' and 'B' class roads to be reviewed by 2011. The A515 is just one of several speed limit reductions that are currently being proposed for a number of roads in the county and are intended to reduce the number of collisions resulting in personal injury. Some we support, others we don't. It is a democratic process - all these proposals have to be publicly advertised prior to implementation and members of the public are entitled to object - the final decision rests with the County Council's Cabinet Committee.

It is the job of the police to enforce speed limits irrespective of whether or not we agree with them and our policy is to give priority to those routes that suffer from a history of speed related injury collisions. You are strongly advised to observe the limit otherwise you run the risk of losing your licence.

Yours sincerely

David Skinner
Traffic Management Officer
Operations Division
Derbyshire Constabulary
Tel: 01773 572215 (ext.) 700 2215 (int.)
e-mail: david.skinner.6875@derbyshire.pnn.police.uk





-----Original Message-----
From: *
Sent: 23 October 2007 00:29
To: Roberts,Jeff (Corporate Resources)
Subject: Internet Enquiry Form

The following was submitted to your feedback form:

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Full name - ***** ****

Postcode - *** ***

Email - sensibledriver@ntlworld.com

Telephone number - ***********

Comment - I hope the police do not propose to enforce the 50mph speed limit on the A515. Most HGVs drive to their limiters today despite the 40mph limit due to them.

Only straw for brains can impose a speed limit without evidence that 60mph was worse than 50mph. Do you really think that procecutions would be reasonable when a driver is perfectly sighted ?

I now run the risk of being prosecucted for exceeding a unjust speed
limit imposed without consultation. Cop me I'm sure to complain.



Confirmation - Ticked



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To quote "camerasaremoneyspinners":

you seem to have an extreme hatred towards scameras as a lot of people do but IMO I can see where your coming from and accept your rant but with your handle as it is I cant help but think your a very inexperienced driver! You should never drive glued to the speedometer and especially not state that as you did in your email as you have left yourself open to be scorched and he did!

speed does kill and you should be more knowledgable about speeding so personally i don't think that the real message should be "inappropriate speed kills" because we know that! As regards again to you glued to the speedometer you're young and will learn to feel the speed your driving at without looking at the speedo!

BTW: How quick were you driving when that kid ran out on you?

Considering your age and driving experience I would of revised that email before sending off!

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Why do we put up with the diatribe that "weepej" keeps putting on these threads as there is not one single post he / she has issued that is anything like coherent or sensible reasoning.

I often wonder if this person has a vested or more importantly "FINANCIAL" interest in operating speed cameras?

This person is an absolute pedantic and arrogant individual who only sees one view "HIS / HER OWN" and no one elses and just wastes the space on this site which is dedicated to trying to improve things for the beleagured motorists of this country!

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"He Who Ain,t Made Mistakes Ain,t Made Anything"

Spannernut

I think we should let the reader make up their own mind on 'illogical' posts; besides there is no forum rule against them.

The background of the poster shouldn't matter. Either the arguments put forward have merit or they don't.

I'm sure there are a few who could consider supporters on this site as being pedantic and arrogant (that wasn't aimed at you BTW).
We have precious few arguing the case for the other side, we need these people to test our arguments.

I seem to remember his daughter was caught a couple of years back on the A55 going home from work

And a camera will cost upwards of £1.2k http://www.uniparservices.com/sl700.php

Firstly "smeggy" I don,t take offence at anything you said in your post (ref. not getting at you BTW) but I sometimes think that Weepej seems to have a stance where he/she never agrees with anything anyone says on any subject on the site.

This person seems to take great delight in denegrating anyone who disagrees with his / her views and is as I said very bigoted and pedantic to the point of coming across as self righteous and arrogant.

I still say that I have yet to see a coherent and sensible thread from this person as it seems that this person only likes to deal in confrontaion and definitely does not accept anyones views except his / her own.

Secondly in reply to Bob_Parr about the comment about RB complying with the law at all times I remember earlier this year he was on Radio 2 with I think Jeremy Vine when he stated that

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"He Who Ain,t Made Mistakes Ain,t Made Anything"

Spannernut

Richard Brunstrom isn't the idiot (or any of the other things) - the people who think that speed limits don't apply to them are idiots, or who think they have the 'right' to drive are the idiots.
I am going to assume something now - you lot have passed a driving test.
When you passed that test, you proved you could do several things at once, including keeping to or below the speed limit and watching out for other people.
Now you seems to think it is impossible to do all these things at once - why?
Is it:
a) You didn't pass a driving test?
b) Your standard of driving is way below when you passed the test?
c) You are perfectly capable of doing all these things, but just can't be bothered?

Answers:
a) - Take a driving test now.
b) - Re-take your driving test now.
c) - You're a moron who shouldn't be allowed on the road.

Which is it?

Why should anyone bother answering your simplistic, banal questions when you're clearly not going to answer anyone else's?

I'm getting fed up to the back teeth with all these trolls polluting seemingly every other thread.

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"The freedom provided by the motor vehicle is not universally applauded, however: there are those who resent the loss of state control over individual choice that the car represents. Such people rarely admit their prejudices openly; instead, they make false or exaggerated claims about the adverse effects of road transport in order to justify calls for higher taxation or restrictions on mobility." (Conservative Way Forward: Stop The War Against Drivers)

That's incorrect. I am going to assume something now: you haven’t passed a driving test. I suspect you haven't because it is well known among drivers that driving students can accumulate a number of minor driving infringements during the test; exceeding the speed limit is one of them. Indeed many give testament to doing just that.

Also, speed limits have come down, many to significantly below reasonable levels, since many drivers passed their test; hence environment wise you're comparing apples and oranges.

Didn't we uncover that exceeding the speed limit during your test was a serious mark, i.e. immediate fail?

he's an idiot.

Drugs kill and I suggest he lookls at the SI s on drug addicts before he spouts.,


I speak as the man who dishes out clean needles to addicts. dishes out free condoms.. to attempt to stop one lurgy here.

But.. I have treated too many whose lives have been destroyed because they thought the drugs caused no harm .. and me and Wildy adopted a child who was oprhaned because of his parents' addiction to drugs and was born an addict.


I know that one lovely little boy had one horrendous start to his life .. and it was unbelievably hard to care for this poor mite.. frail... born underweight and born an addict. He's now clean.. healthy .. but we have to be vigilant when he's ill all the same.

Guy knows as much about drugs as he does about safe driving.. and has not one speck of common sense either.


He is a bully and a nonentity and only craves publicity because he knows this.

Other CCs including Med Hughes are worth much more and command respect.


Brunstrom is a publicity hungry .. and pathetic excuse for a police officer and the sooner we resurrect Mr Common Sense for our redemption .. the better.

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Smilies are contagious
They are just like the flu
We use our smilies on YOU today
Now Good Causes are smiling too!

KEEP SMILING
It makes folk wonder just what you REALLY got up to last night!

Smily to penny.. penny to pound
safespeed prospers-smiles all round! !
But the real message? SMILE.. GO ON ! DO IT! and the world will smile with you!
Enjoy life! You only have the one bite at it.

That's not how we left it when we last discussed it.

On top of that there is speedo overread. It reading 61 in a 60 would almost certainly mean the speed was actually legal - talk about your can of worms!

This doesn't take away from the fact that many did exceed the speed limit during the test - and passed.

Which is what?

Why do you seem to favour one type of speed camera over another? Little biased, aren't you?

Oh. Perhaps the answer to that question might be C above!

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Hello Mrs Brunstrom.

Why don't you read what SS is actually about. i.e: a safe speed for the conditions which, as everyone knows, varies according to many factors.


Now I have a question for you. You obviously never ever speed so are you...

a) Not a road user?
b) A liar?
c) A menace?


Answers:
a) Get a car, (drive long and far enough), and you may change your point of view.
b) People will decide that for themselves, even if they can't or wont tell you.
c) If you were I don't imagine you would admit to it.

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

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Pecunia Prius Equitas et Salus

Including Med Hughes?

And driving IS a right. It's not a favour conferred by Govt or the Crown...

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You seem to have conveniently forgotten to mention that the latest government and police line is that distractions are dangerous...

- Using a mobile (even hands-free)
- Smoking
- Eating a sandwich
- Fiddling with the radio

All things that the likes of Brunstrom says are dangerous because they distract the driver. I'm not commenting one way or another if they are or not but why would the distraction of forced speedo-watching be any less dangerous? It's just another little thing that takes the drivers attention off the road.

You also forget that the likes of Med Hughes has proven that he doesn't actually believe that slavish adherence to numbers on a sign are necessary.

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Cyclists who ignore the law.. ride on pavements.. without lights.. jump red lights.. claim that some retard who KILLED a pedestrian by riding too fast should not be jailed "cos he rides a bicycle and he cannot help convenient "learning difficulties" really " and think they have a right to ride at OVER teh SPEED LIMIT of 20 mph in Richmond Park and on residential roads are the real idiots. Worse since their "holier than thou smug "saving the planet single handedly bigorty makes them hypocrites" when their gear has travelled plenty of air miles and created a lot of CO2 in combined travel and manufacture.. not to mention all that farting from eating them lentils ..


Oh,, and what about CMs which create TRAFFIC JAMS and prevent other road users including those on foot and on public transport from going about and minding their own business.. ? Has nothing to do with getting people back on bicycles and everything to do with a selfish w:censored:k on a bicycle and apart from alienating most of the townsfolk affected .. has not really had much impact than giving folk who have nowt better to do a bit of a jolly jape and smug complacency at thinking they have lessened a carbon footprint when they have just made one the size of the average Yeti by causing a traffic jam in the town.





I am making as assumption that you are the various people of the past here as the post reads very similar but no matter.


I am going to make a few assumptions

1. You have not read the Highway Code - especially revised rules 59 to 82.

2. You have not taken either Proficiency as a 12 year old nor Bikeability

3. You are prefectly capable of riding according to the law and with consideration to All other road users but cannot be bothered to.


Answers.


1. New Highway Code spells out the rules and is available on the internet and in a nice booklet at a mere £2.50.
Buy it and read it along with Cycle Craft.


2. Take the Bikeabiilty Tests

3. If answer to 3 is yes .. then perhaps you should not be allowed out without reins and your nurse.


Which is it?

Funnily enough I ride my bike and do not feel threatened nor threaten others. Likewise when driving. Not complacency on my part.. I get smiles and thumbs up and cheery waves and lots of courtesy reciprocated .. so must be doing fairly right here


By the way.. using a mobile phone.. eating.. drinking whilst cycling .. being drunk whilst cycling.. are not exactly safe or good practice either and the last one is also illegal too.

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If you want to get to heaven - you have to raise a little hell!

Smilies are contagious
They are just like the flu
We use our smilies on YOU today
Now Good Causes are smiling too!

KEEP SMILING
It makes folk wonder just what you REALLY got up to last night!

Smily to penny.. penny to pound
safespeed prospers-smiles all round! !
But the real message? SMILE.. GO ON ! DO IT! and the world will smile with you!
Enjoy life! You only have the one bite at it.

Message to camerasaremoneyspinners:
You are a moron. You are not fit to drive. What possible good do you think you did by sending a joke letter to someone who is concerned with stopping people who break road safety laws?

Speed limits only apply to motorised vehicles.