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Ziltro

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Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 04:29

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Done Lancashire:
Line 10 one of the totals doesn't add up on their sheet (out by 1 again). How hard is it to add numbers up?

16 & 13 - another total out by 1.
29 another total out by 1.

Doing: London.

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Ziltro

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SafeSpeed wrote:

Ziltro wrote:

Done: Devon and Cornwall.
Doing: Lancashire.

No, there really is no order in which I am doing them.

Oh my - what a lovely job! (finally got access; I mean excel :hehe:

)

But it's much more important to our immediate purpose to have the main figures for all the partnerships on a single spreadsheet. We don't need the quarterly figures either.

Journalists need answers to questions like: 'top spending partnership', 'fewest fines', 'lowest conversion rates', 'total expenditure' those sorts of things.

Ok, define 'main figures'?

I see lines 1 - 38 and 7 names columns, and a whole load of numbers which don't really mean anything to me. If I were more awake maybe they would.

I'll start a new spreadsheet. Rows: 1 per partnership. Columns:?

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Ziltro wrote:

I'll start a new spreadsheet. Rows: 1 per partnership. Columns:?

Initially everything from the Total Column would be ideal, later add the operational case column.

I've got to get some sleep - I've only had 2 hours in the last 48 or so and Thursday looks like a big day.

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Gizmo wrote:

Looked at Leicester....

Only 58% of detections resulted in a conviction..........

38% in Avon and Somerset. And that's NIPs to paid FPNs. You need a registration match to get to a NIP from a photo.

Only 62.2% nationally.

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Ziltro

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SafeSpeed wrote:

Ziltro wrote:

I'll start a new spreadsheet. Rows: 1 per partnership. Columns:?

Initially everything from the Total Column would be ideal, later add the operational case column.

That's good, because that is what I just started doing.

(total column, that is)

SafeSpeed wrote:

I've got to get some sleep - I've only had 2 hours in the last 48 or so and Thursday looks like a big day.

Sleep is goood...

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Ziltro

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Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 05:25

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Ok, summary sheet is under way.
Done: Wiltshire & Swindle.
Working backwards, so I'll do the three wests next.

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Ziltro

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Still going through them backwards.
Got to Northumbria.
Grant total (27) seems to be wrong, they have 73,860 I have 301,856.
Other numbers seem correct.
On to Northamptonshire now...

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Ziltro

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2005-06 Summary.ods
2005-06 Summary.xls
About to start on Lincolnshire.

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Ziltro

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All done!

Total FPNs paid: 1,910,423.
Total cash raked in by partnerships: £114,625,360.

Those £60s sure add up.

And the NHS didn't make much. Less than £19,000.

Essex managed to make money on refurbishments.

2005-06 Summary.ods
2005-06 Summary.xls

Edit: Also here and here just in case.

Light yellow background cells are automatic calculations. Some of these are £1 out from the documents, I guess because they wrote in the pence which doesn't get shown on the PDFs.

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anton

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Go get some sleep before the nhs have to spend thier 19k on you!

well done!

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Ziltro

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Ah I wish. I went to bed straight after that but couldn't sleep until at least 8:00.
On the up side, I didn't dream of numbers! :lol:

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Partnership name / Ratio of FNPs paid to NIPs issued this period

Avon and Somerset Safety Camera Partnership / 38%
Merseyside Safety Camera Partnership / 40%
Surrey Safety Camera Partnership / 41%
London Safety Camera Partnership / 43%
Mid and South Wales Safety Camera Partnership / 44%

Looking at these figures a thought occurs. Are multiple NIPs for the same alleged offense counted as 1 NIP or is each NIP counted seperately?

If multiple NIPs for the same alleged offense are counted as 1 NIP. These particular partnerships have, assuming accurate speed measurement, a poor conversion rate.

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Ziltro

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Strange as London were the top earner - £9,455,820 - so I doubt they care too much...

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73% of nips result in a fpn
62% of nips result in a paid fpn
85% of fpn's paid

I have excluded Cumbrias because of the totals difference.

Edit

Unless the good people of Cumbria are paying for undetected speeding offenses

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85% of fpn's paid
15% not paid... that is a lot of sumonses and court time
but there are not that many people in the courts

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Gizmo

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I am no to happy about how the information is being presented. It is int he press today.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/26/nroads226.xml

It implies that some areas have a 100% success rate. I actual fact it is 100% FPN rate. This is fiddled by sending the FPN and NIP out together. This is bucking the system.

It should be detection against conviction rate which makes things look much worse.

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Are the M25 VSL fines split between the counties/London or are they fun by a separate scameraship?

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Conservative PR issed today at 11am:
(apologies, but life is far too short to fix the formatting.)

Quote:

Grayling: Speed cameras costing millions - and undermining road safety

New information published this week has revealed that the Safety Camera Partnerships are spending a whopping £26,088,361 on IT and Communications, refurbishment and accommodation. This spending is equivalent to the salaries
of 580 Road Traffic Police Officers.

Shadow Transport Secretary Chris Grayling commented:

“Increasingly, to the detriment of road safety, the Government is relying on technology rather than uniformed officers to police our roads. But speed cameras can't detect whether someone has been drink-driving, or whether someone
is driving around without licenses in cars which are untaxed and uninsured.

"If the roads aren't properly policed, people will think they can get away with it, and that puts themselves and others in danger.”

ENDS

Notes to Editors

Spending analysis by Camera Partnership

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Spending Analysis
                   IT&Comms
                             Refurbs
                                       Other Capital
                                                 Accomodation
                                                          Comms
                                                                    Other
 
                    
                              
                                        
                                                  
                                                           
                                                                     
Avon, Somerset and
Gloucestershire
                         92,115
                                   7,223
                                            15,045
                                                     229,831
                                                               385,815
                                                                         223,502
Bedfordshire and Luton 
                          9,059
                                   2,968
                                                0
                                                     223,477
                                                               144,531
                                                                         114,726
Cambridgeshire 
                            0
                                      0
                                                0
                                                      84,182
                                                                54,011
                                                                          71,210
Cheshire 
                         79,678
                                   50,000
                                            47,093
                                                        100
                                                               128,479
                                                                          74,954
Cleveland 
                         13,720
                                   7,250
                                             6,162
                                                       7,351
                                                               154,111
                                                                          88,509
Cumbria 
                         45,860
                                      0
                                            22,065
                                                      18,288
                                                                86,974
                                                                         114,005
Derbyshire
                         73,775
                                      0
                                             8,777
                                                       9,703
                                                                45,919
                                                                         752,128
Devon and Cornwall 
                            0
                                      0
                                            314,430
                                                      86,507
                                                                41,379
                                                                         663,822
Dorset 
                        175,192
                                   20,392
                                             3,985
                                                     172,485
                                                               189,280
                                                                         406,013
Essex 
                        216,679
                                     607
                                            72,035
                                                     212,652
                                                               154,702
                                                                         514,847
Greater Manchester
                         14,035
                                      0
                                            10,301
                                                      11,291
                                                                56,862
                                                                          65,934
Hampshire and Isle of
White 
                         15,987
                                      0
                                            12,042
                                                     217,870
                                                                   0
                                                                         550,847
Hertfordshire 
                            0
                                      0
                                            36,273
                                                     413,224
                                                                97,384
                                                                         260,791
Humberside 
                        140,720
                                   52,229
                                            21,619
                                                     108,884
                                                                69,796
                                                                         247,530
Kent 
                          4,499
                                   1,595
                                             4,550
                                                     122,458
                                                               132,799
                                                                         143,962
Lancashire 
                          5,000
                                      0
                                                0
                                                     109,544
                                                               179,939
                                                                         175,674
Leicester, Leicestershire and
Rutland 
                         39,146
                                      0
                                                0
                                                     109,726
                                                               170,747
                                                                         290,444
Lincolnshire 
                         46,502
                                  114,585
                                            14,975
                                                      87,043
                                                               188,244
                                                                         208,562
London 
                         90,732
                                      0
                                                0
                                                     147,179
                                                               574,173
                                                                         949,419
Mid and South Wales 
                         33,608
                                   2,059
                                                0
                                                     158,315
                                                               442,217
                                                                         579,920
Norfolk 
                          8,738
                                   6,016
                                            34,530
                                                      90,322
                                                               133,811
                                                                         122,983
Northamptonshire 
                         27,225
                                   11,206
                                            59,202
                                                     133,455
                                                                84,812
                                                                         549,940
Northumbria 
                        221,578
                                      0
                                            18,364
                                                      65,560
                                                               170,031
                                                                         203,363
North Wales
                         39,353
                                   21,194
                                              255
                                                      10,550
                                                                52,421
                                                                         289,371
Nottinghamshire 
                        285,871
                                      0
                                                0
                                                     146,476
                                                               169,776
                                                                         205,433
South Yorkshire 
                            0
                                   70,761
                                            215,259
                                                     109,834
                                                               287,697
                                                                         131,927
Staffordshire 
                        182,410
                                  120,080
                                                0
                                                     175,372
                                                                44,666
                                                                         378,626
Suffolk 
                         46,945
                                   3,871
                                            128,726
                                                      98,815
                                                                91,412
                                                                         184,252
Sussex 
                            0
                                      0
                                            15,272
                                                          0
                                                               150,415
                                                                         439,711
Thames Valley
                         88,400
                                      0
                                            17,168
                                                     102,293
                                                               327,222
                                                                         574,012
Warwickshire
                        108,498
                                  229,991
                                                0
                                                      66,887
                                                               156,186
                                                                         143,331
West Mercia 
                         33,815
                                   74,205
                                            33,800
                                                     106,243
                                                               168,088
                                                                         211,869
West Midlands
                            0
                                   68,844
                                                0
                                                     150,253
                                                                53,161
                                                                         395,940
West Yorkshire 
                         33,048
                                   2,628
                                            27,140
                                                     144,402
                                                               314,559
                                                                         470,124
Wiltshire and Swindon 
                         80,091
                                   33,237
                                            63,992
                                                      41,267
                                                               174,981
                                                                         343,724
Surrey
                         92,541
                                  185,660
                                            57,653
                                                      99,710
                                                                66,684
                                                                          73,031
Merseyside 
                         89,994
                                   1,465
                                            70,598
                                                      10,864
                                                               107,170
                                                                          86,867
 
                    
                              
                                        
                                                  
                                                           
                                                                     
Sub-totals 
                       2,434,814
                                 1,088,066
                                           1,331,311
                                                    4,082,413
                                                              5,850,454
                                                                       11,301,303
                                                          Total Spending
                                                                    26,088,361

http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/d ... =17621&l=2

Sergeant’s pay point 4 of £35,991 (1st September 2005) plus Employers’ National Insurance Contributions and other benefits takes the cost per officer to an estimated £45,000.
http://www.ome.uk.com/downloads/05-9%20 ... %20pay.doc

Safe Speed PR issued at 12:34 this afternoon:

PR434: Speed cameras undermine road safety

news: for immediate release

According to the Conservatives, 'speed cameras are costing millions and
undermining road safety'. Safe Speed couldn't agree more - we've been making
the point for years.

We don't agree with the Conservative's choice of figures - the overall cost of
the speed camera partnerships in 2005/6 was £99,524,900 - approximately 100
million pounds.

Policy has squandered major life-saving resources on a minor safety factor at
every level in our road safety system:

- Government is far too focused on the speed limit - a focus that didn't appear
until speed cameras came along.

- Local authorities are far too focused on vehicle speeds 'speeding' when they
should be paying proper attention to engineering a safer road environment.

- Police are far to focused on 'speeding' when their most important focus
should be rogue drivers.

- Drivers are far too focused on the speedo and the speed limit, when they
should be more focused on selecting a safe and appropriate speed for the road
environment."

Paul Smith, founder of the Safe Speed road safety campaign
(www.safespeed.org.uk) said: "We are absolutely certain that speed cameras make
road safety worse. The last decade's road safety results are nowhere near as
good as expected. Nationally we have been neglecting driver quality which is
the true key to improving road safety through policy. And of course we have not
Policed the roads properly, so there are 'rogue drivers' everywhere."

"We won't get road safety back on track until speed cameras have been
scrapped."

"According to Department for Transport figures, only 5% of injury crashes
involve any vehicle exceeding a speed limit."

"Department for Transport may claim that the huge cost should not be of concern
because it has been paid by 'speeding motorists' - but we are all 'speeding
motorists' - the money has been taken from ordinary people and wasted on speed
cameras. It cannot be spent on other road safety measures."

<ends>

Notes for editors
=================

Conservative PR issued this morning. Contact:
Conservative Party Press Office

Safe Speed spreadsheet with main figures from all the partnership accounts:
http://www.safespeed.org.uk/pr434.xls

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

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R1Nut

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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 15:32

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A political party that is finally waking up to the Safe Speed message.

Hearty congratulations to you Paul. Here's to hoping that this is going to influence policy, even if we have to vote Conservative.

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ratkins59

Post subject: Updated Link to DfT site.

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:55

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Joined: Tue Apr 06, 2004 13:55
Posts: 6

update link to the DfT site

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/ca ... ?version=1

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