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Is it humble pie?

I'm sorry, I tried but I couldn't resist.

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Safe Speeds headline may be anti-camera, but like many things in life, don't judge a book by its cover. Its a campaign which goes much much deeper than other campaigns, recognises that simple things such as "pulling out of junctions without looking", and not being fully aware of whats going on around you, will cause more accidents / injuries, rather than by numbers on a speedo.
What I find frightening about many pro-camera groups (whilst their intentions of saving lives is wholly supported), is that they just do not seem to understand (or want to) or acknowledge other aspects of bad driving such as mentioned above. I mentioned in a dialogue to a "safety camera group" about how we have various sides of opinion on road safety all fighting each other to be proved right (almost an ego-trip), rather than by sharing and understanding different aspects of road safety, and working together to improve things.
Am I for or against cameras? I think the fact that British road safety is all about cameras and speed today, and that driving standards are free-falling, serious jades my opinion on the value of cameras.
You only need to speak to people who drive regulary and witness the majority of (non-speed related) acts of bad driving not being tackled due to the basis of road safety being on cameras to know that something is seriously wrong.
30mph - slam your brakes on - 30mph - slam your brakes on, thats the messages conveyed by road safety today.......i wish good safe driving was that easy!

LD01

More of an amused observation

Should have put a on it. I try not to get annoyed by other posters, it is counter productive just as when driving.

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Driving fast is for a particular time and place, I can do it I just only do it occasionally because I am a gentleman.
- James May

Welcome indeed LD-01. (Who's number 2 and does LD stand for learner driver? )

Hope you will stick around

Tone, Tony, Big Tone, Goof... (Anthony, if I'm in trouble and you're my mum )

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

You are Number 6


Sorry, resistance was futile.

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Driving fast is for a particular time and place, I can do it I just only do it occasionally because I am a gentleman.
- James May

I'm really number 9; it's just that the screw at the top of my number fell off (I remember Danger Man too incidentally, and The Saint, and Fireball XL Five but I don't remember Torchie the battery boy which my sister told me about).

"What kind of campain is it?" Well, I hope we can also inject a little humour, life's experience and even good food tips from a police guy

So where's B cyclist? Although, to be fair, he's got a lot of stuff to take on/reply to...

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Oh, he felt that humble pie had been served to everyone and he wasn't going to eat it on his own.

Awe come on. I did use a smilie to show it was just a leg pull.

Seriously, I'd like to know what you think of one or two of the points I raised. How about just one or two for now?

Why is it so forgivable to allow traffic to pass within inches of pedestrians at 40 or 50 mph just because it's called a dual carriageway? You have a pavement next to a road where a pedestrian could jump in front of you, just like a SC.

Also, why shouldn't the speed limit for a road be different in one direction than the other where there is a path only on one side but not on the other? Say 35mph in one direction where drivers are next to a field and 25 mph in the other where there is a path? I know very many such situations where absolutely no-one and nothing can spring in front of you from the side next to a field etc. You see, I'm thinking of safety first, not just speed.

Once again, why are 'the powers that be' so closed-minded to the possibility that what is safe in one direction may not be safe in the other? It doesn't have to be that every road has to have a single limit and in fact some DCs I've seen don't, presumably, for the same reason I'm talking about?

When I am on a DC, if I see peds on the pavement, especially kids, if there's no or little traffic I will take the lane further from them. It's the only time I become an outside lane moron, but it's the safer thing to do.

You see, I'm all about safety, both mine and others - not just how fast I can go.

Must dash now, gotta buy a cat from Blue Cross for my twins, (Well, not mine but sort of)...

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

I was wondering that yesterday near a round-about. There is a speed limit of 40mph which is quite justified on the approach to the RaB but absolutely pointless on the exit.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

There is a reason for this.
They tend to be driven ( no pun) by ulterior motives.
Cyclists ( IM ONE! but in no way am i anything like SOME so called cyclists. ) tend to bitch and complain about drivers because they want more road space, want more priorities, want more rights.
Others are driven by the new god of the "green agenda". They hate cars, they despise drivers, they want us all walking and living in caves- except themselves of course.
The final category are the all out haters. They hate simply because they dont like you driving past their house- "at THAT speed too!", regardless of whether or not youre inside the speed limits.
They all have one thing in common- Theyre control freaks. They want to tell you how to do things, how to drive, where to drive, when to drive and they all hide behind a fake badge of "concerned citizens" all tut-tutting away at those "awful" drivers , pretending to give a stuff about those who die on the roads.
Theyre not really interested in road safety because thats not their agenda- its all about THEM.
Them telling you how it should/must/will be.
The road safety aspect is simply their attack angle. If they got their way, watch them all move on to something else.

If these wasters actually DID give a damn about road safety, then answer me this: Why are they so fixated on the minor aspects of crash causation?

Why dont they harp on about DUI's or drugged drivers? Or uninsureds? Pikeys who never held a licence in their lives?
Its because theyre un interested in road safety, theyre FAKERS.
Paul Smith actually DID give a damn about it, so much so that he put all his time and energies into trying to expose the sham of the speed camera fallacy and despite the best efforts of the likes of the dishonourable Brownstain Brunstrum et al, he exposed the lie behind the policy- Speed Kills- maybe, but not in 95% of cases.

Still, the haters, the "concerned residents" the lycra nazis cyclists and the disingenuous road safety "charities" ignore facts because theyd lose THEIR revenues if the cameras went and the deaths went down.

Thats why and they have no shame at all.

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Believe nothing- Question everything.

But there are (still) a fair number of roundabouts where every entry and exit is NSL. That doesn't mean people are constantly crashing into the roundabout at 60 mph. You don't need a speed limit for a roundabout - just a sign saying there's a roundabout coming up (which purpose is usually served by a direction sign).

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

I have to agree entirely with you on this. We had a case last december where a woman who moved onto a NSL road in august, then decided she didn't like traffic going past her house at 60MPH so campaigned to get it lowered. Now she doesn't like people going past her house as a short cut to an industrial estate and wants the road closed.
Why buy a house on a busy road if you don't like traffic and what is wrong with peole actually USING a road as a short cut, isn't that the idea of roads to get from A to B? Why should people go four miles out of their way when there is a straight road that is only a mile or so long? These people really do need to get a life. No doubt she will move on in a year or so and start her hate campaign in her next home area choice.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

graball

What you describe is typical of the Ten Bob Fat Cat mentality of some people, its probably mostly due to property speculation. People buy houses on roads which HGV's regularly use as the best route, then campaign for a 7.5 tonne weight limit. Likewise getting the speed limit cut from 60 to 40, then they try for 30 in order that they can park their car on it at night without lights. Others insist on 30 for urban dual carriageways in order to make it safer for them to reverse out of their driveway into oncoming traffic. The Corporate Nazi's love ten bob fat cats and positively encourage them.

I have actually seen this put forward as a justification for reducing the limit on a wide, well-aligned suburban dual carriageway in Manchester (which was perfectly good for 40).

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

These are henceforth distinguished from 'normal' cyclists by the name "web-cyclists".

What is this country coming to????????

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Which tells drivers to stop for five seconds whether or not there is any traffic on the roundabout. Oops, sorry, that escaped from the numpty thread

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

I’m loathed to say this but if I don't I wouldn't be true to myself.

Am I the only one who sometimes tries to pull onto a roundabout in a small or old diesel-engined car, only to find some burk in his Ford Focus testing the limit of his handling, or has entered it at breakneck speed, and then flashes me because “I supposedly pulled out in front of him?”. :

Well I'm sorry, but there are times when I need to be in something with a 0 to 60 of <5 seconds to execute the manouver to satisfy these flashing me to which I say "Up yours!"

I particularly hate drivers who don't seem to appreciate this of HGV drivers', (or 'L' 'P' plate drivers). I'm not a HGV driver myself but it doesn't take much to empathise. How on earth are they, or Mr Transit Van, supposed to pull out onto the roundabout if I can't do it in my 1.4 Polo? Why should I have to rev the tits of my car to get onto the island because of these stupid and arrogant individuals?

This, IMO, is why they are sticking lights on every roundabout, which I hate, and so once again we all have to be dumbed-down because of the few.

I think in the name of balance and fairness this needed to be said.

Rant over

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

There may be. But my idea, your idea and the local plods idea of a suitable speed to go round a roundabout may not be the same even if I didn't exceed 70mph. Still threadened me with a due care charge because 'you were coming into that roundabout at 70mph'.
Actually is the limit on a NSL dual-carriageway's roundabouts still 70mph?

Barkstar

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