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To a dedicated speedophile , nothing is more serious.

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Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Killing children is even worse. Few here dispute that bad driving is a very significant problem that causes thousands of deaths.

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Rule 1 in camera land propaganda handbook " if all else fails , remind them about how many children are killed/maimed etc - play on the guilt syndrome"
Now what we really need to be asking is how come so many kids are out on/near the roads with no training or if young enough , no supervision??


Perhaps we need the Social Servises to become involved in the investigations of accidents involving children to see if parental neglect was a contributory factor, and the ulterior motive of those who ask why the driver's crystal ball did not predict a child running from behind a parked car.

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Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Yes, thanks botach, you’re all heart.

I would just add that in some countries, a driver who collides with a pedestrian is automatically assumed to be guilty unless he/she can prove otherwise. You would have great difficulty proving innocence if you had been witnessed speeding prior to the accident. It could turn very nasty indeed - you could even spend more time in jail than the "Leader of the Gang" will.

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Yes, thanks botach, you’re all heart.

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Take it that you agree that this is correct.

BTW - NOT ,REPEAT talking about other countries, i always thought that the country discussed on here BY DEFAULT was the United Kingdom of Great Briton and Nothern Ireland.To mi knowledge ,despite the best efforts of Tony ,WE still are ruled by the laws of these islands.

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

But very few of those deaths are deliberate or premeditated. You're comparing apples to oceans and it's meaningless drivel.

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The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

And besides not being deliberate, are in all probability down to a lack of attention, hazard awareness or both, rather than exceeding the limit by a few mph.

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Only when ideology, prejudice and dogma are set aside does the truth emerge - Kepler

As I said "Rule 1 in camera land propaganda handbook " if all else fails , remind them about how many children are killed/maimed etc - play on the guilt syndrome"


can they deny it?( of course theyt can quote the case of one Paul Stud)

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Do go back and read the posts, before you spout bile. It is deliberate if you go abroad intending to break the law from the outset, as andyboyster admitted.

In any case, as if it matters to the victim whether it is premeditated or not - as I should expect by now, you are only capable of selfishly considering things from the driver's point of view, even though you have been on courses!

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Yes ... we know that the drivers are crap. Yes ... if only your hand wringing could compel them to pay for good training, we'd be landed!

But that has failed so far, so slow down.

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Yeah, right!



in case your own subtle point got missed on you, it also matters not a jot to the victim whether you were perfectly within the law or not.

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Only when ideology, prejudice and dogma are set aside does the truth emerge - Kepler

Oh, for God'sake, just shut the f* up and think about what you're saying!
How long is it going to take to enter your skull that crap drivers will have accidents and kill people, regardless of whether or not they stick religiously to the limit????

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Only when ideology, prejudice and dogma are set aside does the truth emerge - Kepler

Eh Basinwerk I don't recall ever saying I was intending to deliberately speed whilst driving abroad, I was merely pointing out that until now you could only get spot fines as opposed to endorsments if caught breaking the Law.

I think I can speak for fellow Canadians when I say that Brits taking "Speed-Crime Holidays" are not welcome in Canada. Please stay in a caravan in the north of England, where they appreciate that kind of tourist much more than we do!

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Yes, more drivers within the limit means there will be less victims, and accidents that do occur will be less serious, according to reputable studies on the matter.

Do us a favour and get with the program, can't you! We have enough mavericks out there already.

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This change in the law has already worked, in your case. The threat of endorsements has changed the way you expect to drive, hasn't it? That is how it is meant to work.

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Yet there are also equally reputable studies that prove almost the exact opposite...

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"Politicians are the same the world over... We build bridges where there aren't any rivers." - Nikita Kruschev

You know, if I had a penny for every reputable study that has subsequently been shown to be sorely lacking - if not utterly wrong - I'd probably be a very rich man.
Cases where undeniably reputable research has resulted in disaster and tragedy are legion - think of Thalidomide.

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I think you are grossly over simplifying road safety, basingwerk.

Speed limits are only useful if they are appropriately set; 29mph is a lethal speed. Your stance on this matter sends out the wrong message.

YES the change in European Law has changed my attitude to driving there as now like here in the UK i'll need to pay more attention to my speedometer on my dashboard as opposed to the bloody road