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'A speeding problem' needs to be defined as a place where 'speeding' is causing a danger.

'A speeding problem' does NOT usefully describe a place where the speed limit is too low for the circumstances and many responsible drivers are exceeding the speed limit.

It is very rare and unusual to find circumstances where the 85th perceptile speed is inappropriately fast. That's because considerably less than 15% of drivers choose inappropriate speeds.

The rule I'm complaining about says you CANNOT enforce in narrow villiage high streets where speeding is dangerous. If you could, you would catch a few nutters and we'd all be happy. You are ONLY permitted to enforce routinely at sites where it's safe to speed.

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Paul Smith
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in fact most, if not all, speed traps I've EVER seen have been in such sites as it's obviously not economic to put them somewhere where they might only catch 1 or 2 people per day. Which just goes to prove that it has absolutely NOTHING to do with safety and EVERYTHING to do with revenue raising.

the speed limit is enforced on safety grounds - in the eyes of the law to exceed the limit is unsafe.

yet the limit is no longer set according to this criteria.

If the speed limit represented the MAX. safe speed in IDEAL conditions - I don't think anyone would have a problem with rigid enforcement other than it wouldn't raise any money. But speed limits are now set as the AVG free flowing speed or local desire, or social engineering.

So in this scenario speeding is about as serious as not recycling your bottles

WHAT WILL YOU DO WHEN YOUR OUT OF A JOB???

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My Other car is a FH12 Globetrotter!

I hate to say this but I live in a small village where, vehicles being driven at an 'inappropriate' speed (and generally in an inappropriate manner) is an issue. There may be a case for targeted speed enforcement, there is also a serious case for engineering solutions.

However, a mile away there is a perfectly straight D/C which has had the limit reduced to 50mph from nsl that is camera enforced. My fiancee (the local) can only remember 1 instance of a serious accident, a typical late night, young driver fatality when they came off at a roundabout. AFTER the 50mph had been introduced. I have no issue with 100mph on stretches of that road given the correct conditions and experience.

Its all about the cash, we know it and they know it. Come on lets just be honest here! The 'partnerships may as well be privatised because its a commercial pursuit. They are nothing more that glorified wheel clampers.

I've always said I view them as a business, and that's not meant to be a cheap shot either. I know they won't be out on housing estates where only a lunatic will be above 30mph and where a real danger is posed. Why open for business if their are no punters around?

it'd be nice if they'd just be honest about it. If it's about safety then drop the fine, if it's about the money then say so, call it a 'speed tax' and drop the points.

The ACPO guidelines require that you not even have them switched on whuile using the LTI equipment.

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