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third since they shut down i believe

Edited:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-11252612
BBC News here

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Is this statistically significant?

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Perhaps a working link may be more helpful?

Try this - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-11252612

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Click-able link here, but i haven't a clue why it was originally posted?

Biker critical after M4 accident near Leigh Delamere

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bugga, beaten by a couple of minutes

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Have they also turned off the cameras in Cheshire then? See here

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no thats a broken down car, do Cheshire vans cover the M6 ???

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Slightly OT, but still on the subject: can someone tell me why it's necessary to close the motorway for such a long time for an incident such as that? OK, someone was seriously injured, but still. There was only a car and a bike involved.

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serious accident / crime scene, usually procedure

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IIRC they don't shut down in Wilts until October.

well knock me down with a NIP, i thought they shut wih immediate effect, anyone know if they are still active on the M4,

then you could say critical accident on M4 due to a camera van

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"Wiltshire’s speed camera unit closes next month" (Article: 4th September 2010)
"The cameras in neighbouring Wiltshire will be switched off at the end of next month" (article: September 02, 2010)


In the same way that you were trying to imply "critical accident on M4 due to lack of a camera van" ?

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too right

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It might come as a surprise to you but people don't magically transport themselves to hospital and damaged vehicles don't clear themselves from the motorway.

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I think Pete's point was the duration of the closure, not the closure itself.

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And one would hope that the injured people were got to hospital within a half hour of the accident, not towards the end of the closure

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I was merely questioning why a two-small-vehicle accident should keep a major road closed for more than half a day. How many millions (and possibly lives as well) did that cost?

How things have changed. Just over three decades ago I had the misfortune to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and was hit head-on by a very drunk driver on a rural road who decided to overtake in the face of oncoming traffic (me). The road was cleared and the traffic moving once more almost before the ambulance arrived to take me to hospital. And, to add insult to injury, I had to pay to have my completely written-off car transported away from the scene.

Which is, BTW, why I regard your sarcastic tone as being particularly unhelpful.

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As you seem to be implying that the M4 accident was because of the camera switch-off, I was just wondering what you put the M6 accident down to.

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Your post concentrated on the vehicles involved with only a passing mention of the motorcyclist. No mention of the other driver(s) involved, witnesses, paramedics, police and highways officers all of whom will have to live with what they saw and did.

In my day job I meet, on a regular basis, with a woman who was knocked off a bicycle. An impatient motorist dragged her to the side of the road because he couldn't get past and turned a nasty incident into a life changing one - for the victim. She had been able to feel her legs before he moved her, the moving displaced some broken vertebra and she is now paraplegic. Her husband is still suffering from depression because he failed to prevent her being moved. Which is, BTW, why I responded as I did

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Assuming the motivation of that other motorist indeed was 'impatience': that example doesn't apply to the M4 case.
The M4 is a triple carriageway, and it is difficult for an injured biker to cover three lanes. Is questioning the decision to close all 3 lanes of one carriageway, for 5 hours, really all that unreasonable?

Can it take 5 hours to move someone critically injured into a helicopter? It was stated that "Both carriageways were closed briefly", then one "carriageway remained closed for five hours during investigations"; that rather suggests the injured were whisked away quickly in this case, and that the subsequent prolonged closure wasn't an outcome of a critical medical decision.

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