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Hi, a friend of mine was overspeeding at 37mph in a 30mph zone. She was using her expired provisional license but has requited for a new one that is yet to come. What happens now? Will the punishment be really bad or will she get a fixed point? Please help. It's really urgent! Thank you.

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We are not legally trained and would advise that you seek professional assistance.
Pepipoo.com forums have several solicitors that might be able to assist.

In my opinion, they are not legally 'on the road', this is likely to need to be explained to the Court.

There is a section Here within the 'New Drivers Act' that states )although this assumes that the Provisional License is already in place - this will change things :

The Dft (Department for Transport) has a section about provisional driving licenses Here.
Disqualification is covered Here.
For 'Endorsements and penalty points' see Here.

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Some begging questions (the answers of which you may also want to furnish the PePiPoo guys with):

- Did the driver pass any speed camera when doing the 37mph?
- Did the driver really drive using no valid/current form of licence?
- Did the driver have a qualified instructor (or a driver who has held a full UK licence for at least 3 years) with them, or were they alone?

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Where are you based? I have to say I have never heard anyone in the UK use the term "overspeeding"?

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Yes for the first question. I found out that her provisional licence has not yet expired but she was driving alone. She is an experienced driver with a foreign driver's lincence(but that has exceeded a year so it's not valid any more). Will she be fine £1000 or less?

Haha, really? I say overspeeding all the time and i'm based in England.

Thanks for your clear answers.
It is likely the speedo of the vehicle was over-reading, so that may put the driver within the trigger threshold for the camera; the camera may even be a dummy. Your friend may have gotten lucky – this time!

If caught, I imagine the fine will be less than £1000, but I think that would be means tested.
There is also the issue of the lack of insurance; that penalty will be additional.

The registered keeper of the vehicle could be in trouble too for agreeing to lend the vehicle to someone without the necessary documents, even if they hold a full UK licence themselves.

All considered, your friend won’t find many sympathisers here.
The best thing your friend could do right now is not drive if no qualified persons are available to instruct them.

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Another question:
What country issued your friend's original licence? Some countries allow an exchange of a full licence.

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Not to forget no insurance.
12 points.

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Thank you so much for your quick and clear answers. I really appreciate it. Her original licence cannot be exchanged for a full licence in the UK; that why she has a provisional. Again, thank you! ^_^

She is insured on the car in question. She got a letter about a fixed penalty point. How much exactly do you think she will be fined for?

the insurance contains a phrase about having to have a licence....it maybe that she was insured because she had a valid licence in the past....I wonder if she has shown her documents to the law yet....

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56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

Not if she's driving without a valid licence she isn't. Nor if she's driving unsupervised on a provisional licence.


Realistically I would guess you are looking at a fine in the region of £300-£400 and a six month driving ban.

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Why is it always a 'Friend' that was speeding ?

The penalty [average] would be 6-8 points but almost certainly a ban will be imposed anyway.
The fine could be up to £5000, but averages £200 + costs of about the same.
The car may well be seized and destroyed.
As a provisional driver with more than 6 points: After the ban has been served the licence will have the six points but they will only count as one point for the two year period under the new drivers act.
The provisional driver will find it almost impossible to get insurance cover other than short-term, high-cost.

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56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

Peter, simply do a search on these forums and you will find the term overspeeding used a lot, suspiciously always in relation to a friend using a provional licence. Posts date back to 2008

Good point, this topic sounds suspiciously similar:

http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=18606&hilit=overspeeding

I have to say (with my official moderator's hat on) that neither case sounds particularly convincing.

A quick Google suggests that "overspeeding" tends to be a term used in Indian English.

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That is quite the punishment!!! Are you sure that it is for someone with a valid provisional? or is it for an invalid provisional licence?

There is no such thing, either you have a valid provisional or you have no licence.

As someone said in the earlier thread, I completely fail to see why some people seem to think it is OK to drive solo on a provisional licence. It isn't, it is in effect like driving with no licence at all, and anyone caught doing so will get zero sympathy from me.

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