Safe Speed Forums

The campaign for genuine road safety
It is currently Mon Oct 27, 2025 02:22

All times are UTC [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 9 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 00:26 
Offline
User
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 13, 2005 23:28
Posts: 1940
http://www.presseportal.de/polizeipress ... _oldenburg


Unfortunately, not everyone in the world actually speaks English :wink:

So OK .. I summarise

I will pick bits out as it rather a long article. (Must be a "Germanic" thing :rotfl: Ted still has not stopped laughing about something he read elsewhere. It ist a good job he ist not driving through a tunnel then But we will not go into the current Scalextric game they have been playing :lol: . )

Anyway.

Quote:
OLD: Verkehrsunfallstatistik 2008 - Anzahl der Schwerverletzten um über zehn Prozent gesunken ++ jeder vierte Tote ist zwischen 18 und 24 Jahre alt ++ Bundesautobahnen die sichersten Straßen ++




It says:

German stats reveal that every 4th dead person ist aged between 18-24 years. (France has similar.. )

FEDERAL AUTOBAHN ARE THE SAFEST ROADS.

Quote:

Besonders besorgniserregend ist, dass alleine 35 dieser Personen der Risikogruppe "Junge Fahrer" (Alter: 18-24 Jahre) angehört. Und nicht nur das: 24 von ihnen starben bei einem sog. "Baumunfall", jeder siebte Verkehrstote stand unter Alkoholeinfluss.



In context - 152 died in this area in 2008. 35 of them were young drivers. 24 of these were in single vehicle incidents with a tree.. Each 7th death in this group had DRINK as main cause.


But overall the area had a 2% drop in serious accidents


Their Police officer in charge of road safety ist quoted as saying "accidents will always happen ..but they will work to reduce them"

Quote:
Die Bundesautobahnen zählen auch im Zuständigkeitsbereich der PD Oldenburg, deren Streckenlänge insgesamt 384 Kilometer umfasst, weiterhin zu den sichersten Straßen: Nur etwa acht Prozent aller Verkehrsunfälle ereignen sich auf diesen viel befahrenen Strecken. Die Zahl der tödlich Verletzten reduzierte sich um sieben Prozent auf 13, die Zahl der Schwerverletzten sogar um fast die Hälfte auf 79.



Motorways are the safest roads. 8% of all accidents occurred on the busiest stretches. A 7% drop on 2007.


This next bit looks at the causes:
Quote:
Unfallursachen

"Rasen, drängeln und überholen zählen nach wie vor zu den Hauptunfallursachen", sagte Polizeivizepräsident Dieter Buskohl, "deshalb werden wir den hohen Kontrolldruck aufrecht erhalten. Jeder Verkehrsteilnehmer muss zu jeder Zeit damit rechnen, von der Polizei kontrolliert werden zu können." Zusammenstöße mit Wildtieren, Unachtsamkeit, Witterungseinflüsse, und Unfälle auf Parkplätzen sind weitere Gründe für das Entstehen von Verkehrsunfällen.


Racing , aggressive tailgating and bad overtakes still count as prime causes.
++ Diagramm: Hauptunfallursachen ++ (Look at some diagram in the link)


It also seems that Oldenburg has a huge problem with trees "appearing suddenly und from nowhere in front of drivers though :scratchchin:

Quote:
Baumunfälle

Zum Jahresende 2007 startete die PD Oldenburg ein Maßnahmenkonzept zur Reduzierung schwerer Verkehrsunfälle mit dem Schwerpunkt "Baumunfälle". Die Fallzahlen sanken 2008 im Vergleich zum Vorjahr um 156. Das entspricht einer Quote von 15 Prozent. Außerdem wurde die Anzahl der Getöteten um fünf und die Anzahl der Schwerverletzten um 34 reduziert. Das entspricht einer Quote von knapp acht bzw. 13 Prozent.


They claim the fatal incidents have reduced to their target of 15% :shock:


In the next paragraphs - they speak of a dedicated police team seeking to prevent collisions with any long tall object by the road side. :shock: :?

It ist what it says .. :roll:


One of the solutions they have .. appears to be a speed measuring device .. but not necessarily a speed cam :wink: along with "better road engineering"


Quote:
Auch hier wird die PD Oldenburg nicht nachlassen und der Reduzierung schwerer Verkehrsunfälle durch Baumanstöße weiter eine hohe Priorität beimessen. Buskohl: "Allen Verkehrsteilnehmern muss bewusst sein, dass ein Verkehrsunfall, der an einem Straßenbaum endet, sehr häufig zu schweren Verletzungen oder sogar zum Tod führt."



I like the understatement though. :popcorn:

"All road users must learn that colliding with a tree or a lamp post will cause serious injury or even kill you"


Quote:
++ Diagramm: Baumunfälle (SV: Schwerverletzte / VT: Verkehrstote) ++

Das 2007 landesweit eingerichtete "Kompetenzteam Baumunfälle", bestehend aus Vertretern der Polizei, der Landesverkehrswacht und den Verkehrs- und Straßenbaubehörden, hatte im Zuständigkeitsbereich der PD Oldenburg die B 51 im Landkreis Diepholz und die B 73 im Landkreis Cuxhaven als sog. "Referenzstrecken" ausgewählt. Das Unfallgeschehen wurde analysiert und konkrete Maßnahmen zur Unfallvermeidung und Folgeminderung erarbeitet. Als erste Maßnahmen wurde die Verkehrsüberwachung intensiviert, Plakate mit z. T. drastischen Darstellungen von möglichen Unfallfolgen der Landesverkehrswacht aufgestellt und durch intensive Presse- und Öffentlichkeitsarbeit auf die Gefahren aufmerksam gemacht. In Planung ist das Aufstellen weiterer Schutzplanken, stationärer Geschwindigkeitsmessanlagen und Veränderungen in der Streckenführung.



This refers to the dedicated team und the proposed plans for better signage/road engineering/road markings/VAS/ ETC.

Quote:
Alkohol und Drogen

Die festgestellten Verstöße wegen Alkoholkonsums im Straßenverkehr bewegen sich seit mehreren Jahren annähernd auf dem gleichen Niveau um 3.000 Fälle. Dabei wird etwa jede vierte festgestellte Fahrt durch die Risikogruppe "Junge Fahrer" begangen.

Die Anzahl der Verkehrsunfälle unter Einfluss von Alkohol hat sich hingegen im Schnitt der letzten Jahre um neun Prozent verringert.

++ Diagramm: Alkohol (VU: Verkehrsunfall) ++




Whilst the accident rate of young drunks has increased - the overall rate of accidents caused by drink alone as a prime cause has lowered by 9% :scratchchin:

_________________
Nicht ganz im Lot!
Ich setze mich immer wieder in die Nesseln! Der Mad Doc ist mein Mann! Und ich benutzte seinen PC!

UND OUR SMILEYS? Smile ... und the the world smiles with you.
Smiley guy seen when you read
Fine me for Safe Speed
(& other good causes..)

Greatest love & Greatest Achievements Require Greatest Risk
But if you lose the driving plan - don't lose the COAST lesson.
Me?
Je ne regrette rien
!


Last edited by WildCat on Fri Mar 06, 2009 00:52, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 00:34 
Offline
User
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 13, 2005 23:28
Posts: 1940
http://www.radiogong.com/index.php?id=426&singelid=4153


Another area reports similar findings - but seems to claim "speeding" to be the cause :roll:

But also overtaking errors und misjudging bends are cited as main causes.

They claim less drink related KSI und less school run KSI.

But again the 18-24 years olds are highest risk group.

Quote:
Häufigste Unfallursachen waren erneut zu schnelles Fahren, Fehler beim Überholen, Abbiegen oder Wenden. Die Zahl der alkoholbedingten Unfälle ist weiterhin rückläufig. Erfreulich sei laut Polizei auch, dass die Zahl der Schulwegunfälle weiter rückläufig sei.

Wie schon in den vergangenen Jahren waren junge Erwachsene bis 24 Jahre überproportional am Unfallgeschehen beteiligt – sie bilden damit eine der Hauptrisikogruppen.


[/quote]

_________________
Nicht ganz im Lot!
Ich setze mich immer wieder in die Nesseln! Der Mad Doc ist mein Mann! Und ich benutzte seinen PC!

UND OUR SMILEYS? Smile ... und the the world smiles with you.
Smiley guy seen when you read
Fine me for Safe Speed
(& other good causes..)

Greatest love & Greatest Achievements Require Greatest Risk
But if you lose the driving plan - don't lose the COAST lesson.
Me?
Je ne regrette rien
!


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 00:50 
Offline
User
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 13, 2005 23:28
Posts: 1940
http://www.presseportal.de/polizeipress ... _wolfsburg

This area also claims reduced KSI overall .. but cites the same prime causes as the other two areas . Basically driver errors :roll:


But this area is not claiming cameras save lives .. nor did the other two in the above links :wink:


Quote:
Zur Erhöhung der Verkehrssicherheit mussten Verkehrsteilnehmer in 2008 insgesamt mit durchschnittlich zehn Verkehrskontrollen pro Woche rechnen. Dabei hatten die Reduzierung schwerer Unfallfolgen, Geschwindigkeitsüberwachungen und Alkohol- und Drogenkontrollen die höchste Priorität. Auf der Berliner Brücke, am St. Annenknoten und auf den Landesstraßen


Drivers in this small area face 10 patrol crews per week on any one journey. These will target all identified causes of accidents .. OTT speed .. enforcement of limit in key hot spots, und targetting drunk/drugged up.

In other words - they upped the trafpol :bow:


Quote:
Fahrradunfälle Die Anzahl der Verkehrsunfälle mit Fahrradfahrern ist im vergangenen Jahr von 132 auf 151 Unfälle gestiegen. Dabei wurden wie 2007 zwei Radfahrer getötet. Während die Anzahl der Schwerverletzten in diesem Bereich von 17 auf elf sank, stieg die Zahl der Leichtverletzten von 92 auf 110.


Sadly .. cycling Ks have risen. SI have reduced .. but light injuries have increased. Overall the accident rate for cyclists has risen... yet the overall accident rate has fallen :scratchchin:

One has to wonder why this might be so? Which could be the debate.

I put up three different slants of the same stats as reported by different German regions. It seems to show the same story of young hot-headed errors... fascination with drinking way too much..

Interestingly none of these articles claim a speed camera saved anyone though. :popcorn:

I post them up for a bit of foreign interest. It ist interesting to see how another country fairs .. especially one held to be a "model" :wink:

_________________
Nicht ganz im Lot!
Ich setze mich immer wieder in die Nesseln! Der Mad Doc ist mein Mann! Und ich benutzte seinen PC!

UND OUR SMILEYS? Smile ... und the the world smiles with you.
Smiley guy seen when you read
Fine me for Safe Speed
(& other good causes..)

Greatest love & Greatest Achievements Require Greatest Risk
But if you lose the driving plan - don't lose the COAST lesson.
Me?
Je ne regrette rien
!


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 05:23 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 02:17
Posts: 7355
Location: Highlands
I take it that Germany is in Recession too ?

There is a most interesting scientific article that I have been (not read yet as been on the road traveling), sent that the writer has spoken at length to me about that shows how during recession times fatal accidents stats always go DOWN. This is due to the fact that people are much more instinctively defensive during these periods ! Most interesting !

Tongue in cheek mode !
In the mean time a sign should be placed on all TREES by roadsides - to carry a warning :
"Caution : May Seriously Damage your Health, Wealth and Happiness. Trees Kill."
or
"Watch Out there's A (nother) Tree About!"
:D :D

_________________
Safe Speed for Intelligent Road Safety through proper research, experience & guidance.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:02 
Offline
User

Joined: Mon Nov 12, 2007 09:33
Posts: 40
SafeSpeedv2 wrote:
I take it that Germany is in Recession too ?

There is a most interesting scientific article that I have been (not read yet as been on the road traveling), sent that the writer has spoken at length to me about that shows how during recession times fatal accidents stats always go DOWN. This is due to the fact that people are much more instinctively defensive during these periods ! Most interesting !

Tongue in cheek mode !
In the mean time a sign should be placed on all TREES by roadsides - to carry a warning :
"Caution : May Seriously Damage your Health, Wealth and Happiness. Trees Kill."
or
"Watch Out there's A (nother) Tree About!"
:D :D


Maybe an advert with a tree saying "Hit me at 120mph, there's a 98% chance you'll die..."

_________________
David


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 13:19 
Offline
User

Joined: Sun Feb 24, 2008 16:52
Posts: 290
Folks,

The philosopher Albert Camus was killed by a roadside tree in the 1950s. After that the French spent some time and effort digging up their nice avenues of roadside trees, although I think that particular craze is over now.

C.

_________________
More rules and regulations please! (Not)


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 14:43 
Offline
User

Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2007 17:12
Posts: 618
Location: Borough of Queens, NYC, NY USA
SafeSpeedv2 wrote:
I take it that Germany is in Recession too ?

There is a most interesting scientific article that I have been (not read yet as been on the road traveling), sent that the writer has spoken at length to me about that shows how during recession times fatal accidents stats always go DOWN. This is due to the fact that people are much more instinctively defensive during these periods ! Most interesting !
Could it be - either instead, or also - because people are simply driving less often, or making less extra trips, or planning their errands better?

Maybe they are [again, instead or also,] driving less, trying to save money?

_________________
The Rules for ALL ROAD USERS:
1) No one gets hurt
2) Nothing gets hit, except to protect others; see Rule#1
3) The Laws of Physics are invincible and immutable - so-called 'laws' of men are not
4) You are always immediately and ultimately responsible for your safety first, then proximately responsible for everyone's
Do not let other road users' mistakes become yours, nor yours become others
5) The rest, including laws of the land, is thoughtful observation, prescience, etiquette, decorum, and cooperation


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 21:29 
Offline
User
User avatar

Joined: Mon Mar 08, 2004 21:41
Posts: 3608
Location: North West
Cooler wrote:
Folks,

The philosopher Albert Camus was killed by a roadside tree in the 1950s. After that the French spent some time and effort digging up their nice avenues of roadside trees, although I think that particular craze is over now.

C.



It took a few years. Then they realised Albert died as the result of pure accident or driver error.

A shame. He was a really superb writer - exploring the Absurd, and Existenstialism concepts.

I also think the tree lined avenues are just FRENCH and I love the beauty of them.

_________________
If you want to get to heaven - you have to raise a little hell!

Smilies are contagious
They are just like the flu
We use our smilies on YOU today
Now Good Causes are smiling too!

KEEP SMILING
It makes folk wonder just what you REALLY got up to last night!

Smily to penny.. penny to pound
safespeed prospers-smiles all round! !

But the real message? SMILE.. GO ON ! DO IT! and the world will smile with you!
Enjoy life! You only have the one bite at it.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 21:36 
Offline
User
User avatar

Joined: Mon Mar 08, 2004 21:41
Posts: 3608
Location: North West
The Rush wrote:
SafeSpeedv2 wrote:
I take it that Germany is in Recession too ?

There is a most interesting scientific article that I have been (not read yet as been on the road traveling), sent that the writer has spoken at length to me about that shows how during recession times fatal accidents stats always go DOWN. This is due to the fact that people are much more instinctively defensive during these periods ! Most interesting !
Could it be - either instead, or also - because people are simply driving less often, or making less extra trips, or planning their errands better?

Maybe they are [again, instead or also,] driving less, trying to save money?




yes. Germany hit recession. Switzerland also in recession along with Austria and whole globe which maked this one worse than the 1930s. I note they plan to print paper money.

UMM they should read their history books .. [i[ because this is exactly what happened in the years of BUDDY - CAN YOU SPARE A DIME"[/i] and led to shopping bags being worth more than cash :shock:

Fact and folk are worried . angry and it shows in their comments as I read fear mostly.

_________________
If you want to get to heaven - you have to raise a little hell!

Smilies are contagious
They are just like the flu
We use our smilies on YOU today
Now Good Causes are smiling too!

KEEP SMILING
It makes folk wonder just what you REALLY got up to last night!

Smily to penny.. penny to pound
safespeed prospers-smiles all round! !

But the real message? SMILE.. GO ON ! DO IT! and the world will smile with you!
Enjoy life! You only have the one bite at it.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 9 posts ] 

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 45 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You can post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
[ Time : 0.027s | 11 Queries | GZIP : Off ]