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Why give them 10%? They could still get a ticket with that. The pinging should have two tones, one for when you are over and another LOUD one for when you are much over the limit.

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Based on my experiences during this morning and yesterday's commute, perhaps we could include the function of 'pinging' for tailgaters on wintery roads. I mean..jesus, does the back of my car look that much like a warm inviting pillow?

Sorry, bit of an aside.

I'll have to see if the report from the Leeds University trial is still available.

They tried the system two ways.

First they had a system which drivers could turn off - the drivers turned it off everywhere there was an opportunity to break the speed limit. i.e. only left it switched on when traffic was too heavy (or presumably past cameras).

Then they tried a system which could not be turned off. With this system the drivers exhibited more dangerous driving behaviour. Tailgating and taking chances at junctions.

And this was from people who actually wanted the limiters. Imagine how much worse your average boy racer would be.

And for the many thousands driving without licences due to being banned!
Now, there is one area of growth which it will be difficult to stem. After all, if your job, future career, house repayments, kid's clothes and holidays, possibly the stability of your marriage and who knows what else depended on your ability to continue to drive, how many here can honestly say that if banned for a few minor speeding offences in a 3 year period they would not continue to drive. It would be a hard call for me, I can tell you, as disqual would end my business and affect my pension which I am due to get soon (part of my pension is based on my business continuing). Really I cannot say, hand on heart, that if disqual I would not continue to drive. Can anyone who drives for a living say they would accept unemployment rather than continue driving, albeit in a car registered to someone else?

Party policies are never delivered anyway, the only one that labour has delivered, that i can remember is the ban on fox hunting, or should i say a ban on our Liberty



Agree, and they are far too much in with the green party views, and any one else that would give them a vote, spineless bunch of Twits

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Maybe we could have a proper system, that increased and decreased the speed limit according to conditions & traffic flow

Rather than having the one speed limit fits all situactions

Mind you, i was on the M25 today at 4 am, no traffic, no problems, and speed signs flashing 40 mph. Maybe some better training for the numpties that control the buttons

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Agree.

Also pinging for motorists that do not make progress

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The trouble is that - just like tailgating - that cannot be detected by an automatic device that takes no account of the circumstances. Any form of prosecution must depend on a police officer having observed the behaviour over some distance.

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Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

Not sure if the Leeds report is still available in the public domain. However, the ABD's take certainly is. http://www.abd.org.uk/pr/225.htm

Ah yes - the Leeds report - which either goes into greater depth or has been politically sanitised (not sure which yet) is http://www.its.leeds.ac.uk/projects/evsc/contact.html

They conclude if the speed enforcement is followed through that accidents will reduce. All my bones tell me this is dumbing down driving to the point that things will get dramatically worse by zombie-like road behaviour. People will simply not know what to do when confronted with the need to think.

Using your logic also the only people who care about dying are the dead.

I for one do not intentionally speed, if you drive you have and will break the speed limit, simple, so unless you are not/have never been a driver then you yourself are a speeder.

Death is rather more terminal that a speeding ticket. In fact, the reason we use tickets is to try to avoid early deaths. In any case, the dead are beyond caring!



Well, fair play to you, at least do not intentionally speed, which is a good sign. I don't care about speed cameras because I don't speed - in theory. There's one camera at Willingham, Cambs, which has almost caught me out because of what you say - my own negligence! I think cars should have these gadgets that IanH was on about, little things that ping when you are over the limit. That way NOBODY would have any excuse at all.

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That is true but I was only using it to illustrate your shocking and unfounded genralisation. As for the bleeper. yes that would be handy, I would appriciate it if it was a short sharp, but non intrusive beep, unfourtunatly I don`t think such a device would be beneficial forced upon us unless tamperproof.

I'd like to see somethign similar, but how about something on your dash telling you what the current speed limit is, that perhaps flashes when you exceed it?

I suppose that speed limiters would confirm one way or another whether speed does kill.

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I am not worried about being caught by speed camera, yet i will exceed NSL where safe ( that means making sure there no cameras around, once i have checked for no pedestrians, animals, other vehicles etc - just treat them as a hazard ).

My objection to them is because current emphasis on road safety is all about speed limits not driving well.

I would rather see more traffic police, including unmarked cars - which can also catch drivers speeding, but more importantly can catch dangerous drivers.

Sorry. A bit late entering the discussion on this one. Been on holiday.

When I looked into this originaly the research was done by a university funded bay a company trying to market the technology. Its stuff like this that makes me suspicions of any research. The first question we should ask is who's paying for the reaserch to be be done in the first place.

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What do you mean with that? Did the introduction of speed limiters on trucks lead to less or more trucking accidents?
As far as I know nobody in Europe made a study on the subject.

I for one would shudder at the prospect of a long drive from Folkestone to Perth, say rigidly governed to 70!

Quite right, I regularly drive 300 miles from East Kent to West Wales. Sticking to 70 would typically add 30-45 mins to my journey at least. Just what the doctor ordered when you're trying to avoid tiredness and keep focused.

Yes, that would be way too fast. 70 is the absolute TOP speed - you are free to drive a little more reasonably if you like, say 55?

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