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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 20:01 
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Looked into that Stanley Hill "forum" (as it only has one active member, it's more of a blog really - still, that's what you get if you won't let anyone join...) & found:

http://www.suffolk.police.uk/News+And+Appeals/News/Speeding+Motorists+Caught.htm

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More than 1,800 motorists were caught speeding in Suffolk during a week-long campaign in the county between Monday 21 and Sunday 27 April.

Despite publicity about the campaign, 1484 people were caught by police officers and Suffolk Safety Camera Partnership cameras and a further 364 were caught by fixed cameras in the county.

Sgt Steve Knight, from Suffolk’s Roads Policing Unit, said the aim was to help make roads in the county safer for drivers, cyclists and pedestrians.

“Motorists really have no excuse. The campaign was well-publicised and there still seems to be a significant number of drivers who have failed to grasp the concept that speed kills.

“We are aware that there are those who say police should have better things to do, but this ignores the role speed plays in fatal and serious road traffic collisions. There is nothing more important than the preservation of life and by targeting speeders we hope we can save lives.

“While police concentrated their efforts during the campaign period, this did not mean other duties were neglected, and we will continue to try to get the message across by targeting those who speed.”

In a similar campaign last year, between Monday 23 and Sunday 29 April, 954 motorists were caught speeding by officers and cameras.


Accidents down? No? Oh well...

Revenue raised? £108,000 (if they all got hit for £60.00). Oh good!


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“While police concentrated their efforts during the campaign period, this did not mean other duties were neglected,


Yeah... Yeah, I bet they didn't neglect their other duties, and I bet they don't put as much concentration into them either :( .

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Aren't we missing some information though?
How many drivers do they normally catch when they are NOT having a specific campaign?

And why has the number of drivers caught gone UP since the same week last year?
1848 this year, 954 last year!!

I didn't know of their campaign, so how many drivers were visitors to Suffolk who did not know either?

What sort of roads did they target - motorways, or villages and rural A roads?

As usual the statistics mean nothing on their own! :(

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Ernest Marsh wrote:
Aren't we missing some information though?
How many drivers do they normally catch when they are NOT having a specific campaign?

And why has the number of drivers caught gone UP since the same week last year?
1848 this year, 954 last year!!

I didn't know of their campaign, so how many drivers were visitors to Suffolk who did not know either?

What sort of roads did they target - motorways, or villages and rural A roads?

As usual the statistics mean nothing on their own! :(


Indeed. You can only know of a "campaign" if local. :roll:


But as for the "success" - A&E stats do not support these claims of "100% success accident prevention" ... . :roll:

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I didn't know of their campaign, so how many drivers were visitors to Suffolk who did not know either?


I didn't know about the campaign either and I live in Suffolk!

They keep parking the camera van on the three lane section of the A14 near Newmarket. It's not surprising that they catch more people if they choose the straightest, widest bit of road in Suffolk.

There are some signs of improvement. There have been several articles on the local television and in the papers about training for young drivers (prompted by the test change announcement) and also for older drivers whose skills need refreshing. Hopefully this will continue and the obsession with speeding will end.


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I didn't know about the campaign either and I live in Suffolk!

They keep parking the camera van on the three lane section of the A14 near Newmarket. It's not surprising that they catch more people if they choose the straightest, widest bit of road in Suffolk.



Also at the stretch of 50 Mph Dual carriageway on the A11 At Barton mills

I will agree The 50 zone is needed because of a dodgy junction but the scamera is always positioned after the junction back on a nice safe bit of dual carriageway :x

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hampshireian wrote:
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I didn't know about the campaign either and I live in Suffolk!

They keep parking the camera van on the three lane section of the A14 near Newmarket. It's not surprising that they catch more people if they choose the straightest, widest bit of road in Suffolk.



Also at the stretch of 50 Mph Dual carriageway on the A11 At Barton mills

I will agree The 50 zone is needed because of a dodgy junction but the scamera is always positioned after the junction back on a nice safe bit of dual carriageway :x

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You want them where they earn their keep in coin!!

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My God!..... :o That's awful!..


So many speeding drivers in Suffolk!


How many People Died???.......It must have been awful!


None!.......Wha:.....Y'mean........None?


How can that be?............... :roll:

















Ahhhhhhhhhh!.. I know!......the magic cameras prevented it!..... :wink: Didn't they?


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None were killed because the speed cameras stopped them being killed.
Every time they photographed a speeding car, they also jumped in front of it waving a flag. The driver immediately slowed-down before before he/she had a chance to run over the little boy/girl playing by the side of the busy dual carriageway/s.

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And I thought I was safe from speed enforcement in Suffolk :x.

I hope they don't enforce the A12. Usually I go 60mph to save money but there's times for whatever reason that I want to make safe progress, usually when overtaking and I want to keep up with the traffic rather than cause another snarl up.


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They do enforce the A12. As usual is the straightest, widest bits that get the attention. If you want to speed just pick a narrow, bendy section and you won't get caught :roll:


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So many speeding drivers in Suffolk!


How many People Died???.......It must have been awful!



Sadly, rather a lot have died. The loweset number was way back in 1995, before they introduced the silly 30 limits everywhere and there were no speed cameras. The number of people killed had been falling steadily for several years but since then the number of people killed has been higher in every year.


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They do enforce the A12. As usual is the straightest, widest bits that get the attention. If you want to speed just pick a narrow, bendy section and you won't get caught :roll:


Or at night in the pouring rain when the lasers don't work :wink:

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I didn't know of their campaign, so how many drivers were visitors to Suffolk who did not know either?


I didn't know about the campaign either and I live in Suffolk!

They keep parking the camera van on the three lane section of the A14 near Newmarket. It's not surprising that they catch more people if they choose the straightest, widest bit of road in Suffolk.

There are some signs of improvement. There have been several articles on the local television and in the papers about training for young drivers (prompted by the test change announcement) and also for older drivers whose skills need refreshing. Hopefully this will continue and the obsession with speeding will end.


I have heard something like a minimum of 100 hours mentioned before a youngster can take this new test. That is insane. What with lessons at an average of £21 pounds per hour? It is obvious that those proposals have been knocked up by some rich git who has no idea what it is like to have a limit to money. Also another stupid thing is, the want to make it so that you have to be 18 before you can get your full license? What!? All we hear about is the crazy yob 17 year olds causing crashes and nothing about the hundreds of thousands who drive sensibly. One year won't make the slightest piece of difference the bad drivers will stay the same. I hope the rediculous proposals fall at the first hurdle. Although I do like the idea of the government taking up a stance towards education rather than the obsession over the speed limits.

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I've heard something like a minimum of 100 hours mentioned before a youngster can take this new test. That is insane. What with lessons at an average of £21 pounds per hour? It is obvious that those proposals have been knocked up by some rich git who has no idea what it is like to have a limit to money. Also another stupid thing is, the want to make it so that you have to be 18 before you can get your full license? What!? All we hear about is the crazy yob 17 year olds causing crashes and nothing about the hundreds of thousands who drive sensibly. One year won't make the slightest piece of difference the bad drivers will stay the same. I hope the rediculous proposals fall at the first hurdle. Although I do like the idea of the government taking up a stance towards education rather than the obsession over the speed limits.



It's all about getting drivers off the road isn't it? Just like the cash cameras, not spending on the roads, parking fee's and restrictions, reduced speed limits, insurance hikes, VED hikes, Fuel tax esculator, restrictions on engine size in "congestion zones", Greeny crap about Co2....Make the Driving test harder!...and then harder again, the list is endless.....

Do you think that they're trying to tell us something?.......Well, if they ever succeed I tell you, that'll be the day that the "UK closed" sign will go up! ..and they're well on the way to that IMO because "public transport" does NOT exist here in the UK! Private transport for the public does(at a price)..... though I shudder to think about the conditions on it.....or the price!

At the moment.......it's cheaper to take my wife to work in a 4ltr V8 rather than for her to take the 2 miles by bus (and 6 times quicker).........and every time Gordon raises tax on the motorist........They put their fares up to match.... :roll:

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Draco,

I'm afraid I have to agree with you :( and what makes it worse is the government make billions at the same time as trying to price us into oblivion.

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Or at night in the pouring rain when the lasers don't work :wink:



cough cough

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Or at night in the pouring rain when the lasers don't work :wink:


cough cough

I'm not sure I understand the meaning of this. Could you please explain?

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Or at night in the pouring rain when the lasers don't work :wink:


cough cough

I'm not sure I understand the meaning of this. Could you please explain?



simply the laser i used worked at night it worked in the rain no problem at all, the poster hampshieian IMO was implying that is you speed at night when it is wet the laser will not detect you, WRONG VERY WRONG

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Or at night in the pouring rain when the lasers don't work :wink:


TO clarify my opinion.

Heavy rain would introduce large errors into the speed calculation and reduce the range/accuracy significantly. Just look at the effect rain has on normal light.

Day or Night means nothing to the laser but at night not under street lights! How can the operator form the opinion you are speeding ,accuratley aim the scope at the target vehicle while being blinded by the headlights and get a reading. even if he gets a lucky hit I doubt he could read the numberplate

I cant see the health and safety allowing operators to stare through a telescope at a car on full beam, one blindness claim would wipe out the ill gotten gains :x


Either way If I was snapped under the above circumstances I would be having my day in court

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