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Sure, and its still here for examination. But its all a bit jumbled and random and lacking in context, the casual visitor can't really be expected to make sense of it all IMHO.
Whats needed is a 'What they say' versus 'what we say' kind of setup so that the differences between the two differeing angles on the issue can be compared.

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And littered with slights, i.e. referring to speed cameras as "scameras" in documents that should be non partisan doesn't do them any justice.

Did Paul really use "scameras" in his Press releases or regular work as opposed to in general discussions?

I dont recall any and on a search the forums for the word "scameras" by author "safespeed" I investigated a few and they were by others or paul quoting others.

I would like to see at least 2 examples of paul using "scameras" in a serious document.

I would also like to mention that the camera partnerships often refer to ACPO Code of Practice as "guidelines" in and out of court. As a result every one else copies that mis-quote (including myself). It becomes part of the language and used in un-intentional error.

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Really? Cite them.

And a document that might say something like: "Many motorists distrust the motives of Safety Partnerships. Some even refer to speed cameras as "scameras" such is their distrust" would be merely commenting on the situation that the so-called Safety Partnerships brought about.

And how would calling a camera a scamera be a slight? What? On the camera? Hardly. A slight on someone who used twisted data (or even in some cases, lies, in order to place a camera under the old rules that said x number of accidents should have happened at a site before a camera could be placed there? No.

I think your remarks are a slight on the memory of Paul Smith and all his hard work. Can I suggest that you stop maligning his memory? Please?

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We are well and truly sick and tired of hearing the same old lies and misleading statements trotted out again and again and again. The Scamera Partnerships apparently love the lies, and we'd be surprised to find a Scamera Partnership site that didn't contain a few of them. Ask yourself: Why do they need to fiddle, fabricate, fudge and fib?


http://www.safespeed.org.uk/lie.html

I'm not, but it doesn't mean I can't argue against Safe Speed attitudes.

The call to resist 20mph limits (or get rid of exisiting ones) in residential areas is incredibly irresponsible IMO, as I think is the call to get rid of all automated speed enforcement.

Quite. I am not that interested in 20 limits, except to point out that the vast majority of those caught speeding in said limits actually live within those same limits. Pot. Kettle. Calling. Black.

As for peer review. Yes, I do know the meaning of same. Which experts would those be then ?
The police. Experts in apprehension and prosecution.
Scientists. Yes, problem. Many reviews are tainted with the whiff of protection. Climate change theory [man made] being almost text-book for a comparison. Examination of that alone is enough to for a modestly intelligent person to be put-off scientific review for the rest of a lifetime.

I dont see a problem in context of http://www.safespeed.org.uk/lie.html of using "scamera". It is a story about Lies...

He is exposing properganda lies, A scam... He has backed up those allagations with facts an figures.

I have a bigger problem with a police force who go to court for 4 years supporting speeding cases saying the signs were in place when they hadn't checked them once in 4 years.

In this context they had earned the title "scamera"

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

He?

How many times can you change the subject?
Could you go back and justify your previous points.

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Well, some people do more than 20 on my street, (which I consider to be too fast), backwards, saves turning round at the bottom you see, so for the sake of 20 seconds or so they break the law.

Regarding 20mph zones... ISTR that shortly before his death, Paul was examining some anomolous statistics that appeared to show that injury severity in 20 zones was actually worse than 30s...

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And calling for the immediate cessation of 20mph limits.

Still at it?

Fine. And in what way IS that a slight? And on what or on whom?

Also, the 20mph zones are all very well. But might lead to a sense of pedestrian complacency.

"This is a 20mph zone, therefore I am safe." Or not...

And when was the last time there was a campaign to promote the Green Cross Code on TV? Oh, yes, we keep seeing the "I randomly dash into the street like an idiot and get mown down by some driver who had no chance to see me" campaign video.

But where IS the Green Cross Code advertising campaign? Where is the Tufty Club?

Oh, of course! We do not need them! We have scameras, now, don't we?

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Which is 100% right until/if it can be proven the stats he was examining are not accurate.

Peer reviews.. My work gets reviewed by fellow medics. My wife gets a double whammy of medics and pharmacists and other "toppest scientists" to use her "vernacular"

But Meadows was "peer reviewed". A lot of women ended up falsely imprisoned because of his "expert opinions"


Fortunately.. this has led the courts to exercise caution as a result of the miscarriages of justice.


But let's look further back and we are still endangering health because of .. Wakefield .. who leapt to the conclusion that because the measle virus was found in the gut of children suffering from the condiiton of autism that the vaccine was to blame. Not so. Later research found this unfounded.. yet Wakefield passed peer reviews at the time and this has done a hell of a lot of damage as parents were exposed to Waily and Grauniad blasts which linger on into memories and folklore is then born.

All our kittens have had the required vaccinations.. including MMR. We foster one currently with aspergers. He did not have MMR as a baby. There were reasons to give him "singles" per the history. I am not naming this child so I am not giving away data Merely pointing out his condition cannot be linked to MMR

How does this relate to PEER REVIEW

Walker's research.


He is exploring why so many autistic/aspergic kids seem to have a chronic bowel disease. Lot of lurgies in the gut .. and any one can be the cause. No one can prove the vaccine to be the cause and to simply publish the virus exists in the gut of autistic kids simply means the virus is present.. but not necessarily causing this condition.

Likewise the cam may record the speed but not prove the speed caused the accident


We look for causes. At the moment we are looking to cure the bowel discomfort lurgy within autistic sufferers as this will help them forwards.

We do not actually know which lurgy is to blame. We all have them by the way.. only some of us fight 'em off better

We have not really examined causes behind incidents or even set about curing it . None of it has been properly assessed or evaluated.

We only know if we train properly.. try to address attitude.. polite courteous manners.. COAST values - we might get a bit further on the road safety problem

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Not in the face of other evidence (overwhelming) that contradicts.

A good case of somebody finding what they seek IMO.

Ah.. is this not what Mongiblets does all the time. Cherry pick.. take out of context and spin it..

I can give you umpteen examples of 20 mph fatals. one of which involved one of the Swiss called Ferdl. He died. Defective lorry lost control Ploughed through central reserve into crawling traffic. Low speed.. but Ferdl was a K and others were SI.

I can also quote umpteen hits at 5 mph in driveways and 10 mph in car parks from hospital records of the past. Injuries show low impact force .. but overall health and point of impact and shock all proven killers.

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We use our smilies on YOU today
Now Good Causes are smiling too!

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It makes folk wonder just what you REALLY got up to last night!

Smily to penny.. penny to pound
safespeed prospers-smiles all round! !
But the real message? SMILE.. GO ON ! DO IT! and the world will smile with you!
Enjoy life! You only have the one bite at it.

I think there is little chance of finding any statistics to corroborate the "20 limits leads to more accidents" theory.
Even if the stats existed once, they will almost certainly have ceased to be available now.
They were almost certainly as a result of people becoming complacent as a result of the lower traffic speeds. It is difficult to use any government derived information against the government, since the information is hard to find, and easily disappears once found !
Peer review is just as unreliable now, since "he who pays the piper plays the tune"