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Just did a google to find the document quoted by Autocar. It claims that slowing the traffic is necessary to make the roads safer for pedestrians and cyclists, but it also notes "detectors at traffic lights speeded up buses by triggering a green phase for them as they approach"

So it's only cars that are dangerous when they're going fast then?

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He's being completely accurate (for a change!)...

It's not going to be a "stealth tax", it's going to be a "full-on, in-your-face tax"!

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One of the most amazing suggestions yet made is that foreign visitors will have to obtain a 'temporary' transponder at their port of entry and pay a deposit from which their utilisation charge will be deducted on departure.
What an excellent way of reducing Summer congestion by ensuring that the majority of European holidaymakers go elsewhere and spend their Euros in mainland Europe.
Then, of course, to avoid the road charges, UK people will drive to Dover in the middle of the night, when the roads cost less to use, and catch an early morning ferry/train to France to begin their holidays 'sur le Continent' instead of going to the Lake District (via the presumably expensive M6), Scotland, Devon and Cornwell, Wales, etc. Cut congestion by killing our British tourist trade in one fell swoop. How f*****g clever!
Think of the queues at Dover if every incoming vehicle had to register, have a trans[ponder installed, pay for it together with the deposit of a hundred pounds or so, before getting onto the M2 or M20. Methinks the tourist boards are going to have a point of view, in addition to almost every other interest group from employees to employers, OAP's, trades unions (who won't like their members taxed for needing to go to work at peak times), housewives, etc, etc.
Maybe the realisation that this will clearly not be acceptable to the British, as a people and a society, will start to emerge soon, but don't hold your breath. However, when it becomes clear that any party which supports this will be unelectable, that's when realisation will be seen.

Unelectable ?

Yes. Exactly when ?

All the major parties support road pricing.
The greens support road pricing AND much higher fuel tax AND the stopping of road construction AND stopping the increase of road haulage.
So, given the FACT that the "electorate" can be brainwashed into supporting their own DEATHS if they are needed to die, how exactly is it any help ? Bedford council/s want to make the town a pedestrian precinct even though there is NO WAY for the traffic to get around the town....the A6 and the A428 BOTH go RIGHT THROUGH the town. No matter...the high street is going to be closed....sometime !
This is es pollution problem has been identified as being mainly caused by lorries and buses.

Noooo.....!!! Please tell me this is some cruel evil joke. I realise the council are stupid (seen anything of the amazing portable bridge yet? Plan was to rent it out off-peak to other towns with rivers to offset building costs) but could they really be that stupid?
Some of us have to drive through that cursed towns one-way system.

Lets be realistic on this as IF and a big IF any government were to introduce road pricing in any form WW3 would break out with the motoring public it is such a hot potato no government in their right mind
would dare introduce it!

Ever thought that while we are delving in to this scam and discussing or whatever it is you can call it you are leaving a lot more things to be sneaked in through the back door it is called "taking your eye off the ball"!

What if the motorist refused to pay say £600.00 approx. for this transponder to be installed what do they intend to do "lock us all up in jail" or worse still impound your pride and joy then there will be a lot of vehicles off the roads in compounds and then crushed so the whole thing snowballs because:
A) No car = No transport so No job then:
B) Means workers on Dole / Benefits etc.
C) In short the country would very quickly grind to a halt as no vehicles means "NO REVENUE" I.E. FUEL DUTY / ROAD TAX / VAT for the exchequer or "Prudence Brown" to give away to all and sundry and waste on "Consultants" !

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jj- it IS and has been proved possible to have a ring road through the town centre. don't do much for the traffic flow - but WTF - who cares .

try this one

jj- it IS and has been proved possible to have a ring road through the town centre. don't do much for the traffic flow - but WTF - who cares .

try this one

The great Sir Jimmy Young wrote up a blinder in his "Sexpress" column a bit back. (Feb 11 .. I thought someone would have pounced on it.. so me und Mad Doc waited in case
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I loved his progs which always ended with that very friendly TTFN My kind of guy

Vine ist really an amateur by comparison to that incisive wit und master of the lethal question.

Sir Jimbo opens his piece by mentioning the pedestrians und cyclists who might welcome such an idea.. the non-motorist brigade

Sir Jimbo states that greedy governments seek to squeeze even more out of their golden goose in a motor vehicle

He says that the government would have one believe that drivers would be charged at different rate dependent on which road und time they drove on it.

He say that this ist planned to be £1.34 per mile


He may be well into his 80s now.. but nowt wrong with his arithmetic




His late mate Fluff would quip in with a "Not 'Alf" here



Und this must be so ..else why would CTC invest in site to urge cyclists to report potholes ... und why would ALL cycling rags be up in arms over these badly surfaced roads ..

So.. we all pay taxes.. to fund MP pensions, false expense claims und nonsense "research jollies" in reality ..



A bicycle up our hills with shopping ist more effort than a little commute in London area in reality.

I could use one of our horses.. but there ist a little problem with poop und tethering in Keswick actually.



Und perhaps to the dole queues as we do not have decent buses, trams, trains in the UK.

I could perhaps afford these fees. But then I would be like Marie Antoinette und suggesting the starving plebs eat cake. That ist not what one expect from a fair, equitable und forward und upward society in any case. We should all have means to travel.. und earn our cash after all ..


Sir Jimbo seem to agree with me




Und under an FOI .. Sexpress got hold of data published yesterday und posted up by mad Doc.


They now seek to curb FOI "because we now know too much .. See articlels in all broadsheets plus North West regionals..
last week.



He finish by




Sir Jimbo .. Wow.. Purrest Quality .. cat's whiskers .. und say for all of us.

He also scathing in past over scameras. A real man.. common sense. A Normal Blokey Bloke! Purrrrr! As a woman .. I appreciate a real MAN' s brains! Purrrrr! Does not matter how old.. I respect brain und logic when I read it..



Way to go.. und I still miss his PROGS too.

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