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I am as I have been forced to join the European "Union" against my will

is this Legal?

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Welcome to the UK, the Land of "Selective Freedoms"

Wasn't there a referendum?

And I don't think it counts as a Trade Union in the legal sense.

You really need to chill a little.

This 'referendum' thing is a bone of contention with me and has been for years. Neither I nor anyone I have PERSONALLY spoken to since the supposed referendum saw a voting paper. I can only presume the then government targetted known europhiles, (possibly from some long-forgotten survey on 'How would you vote if......?')!

The referendum IIRC was pretty borderline. There was a narrow majority on a 60% turnout (IE about a third of the population supported it, two thirds either didnt or had no opinion)

To my mind this was Nowhere near enough support for such a significant constiutional change!

Especially when the "Pro" campaign was riddled with lies (Something that heath later admitted! )

Some years ago when doing some tidying I remember finding the "Pro" and "Anti" leaflets from said referendum. It was interesting to note that none of the "Good" things promoted by the "Yes" campaign had actually happened yet pretty well all of the "Bad" things predicted by the "No" campaign had in fact taken place! (sadly I cannot find them now)

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"The road to a police state is paved with public safety legislation"

As far as i can remember the only politician that us any good for years before this wasn't a British one - it was De Gaul - he kept on saying "NON"

Actually, YOU are not a member of the EU, Britain is as a nation. Such rights as you have are bestowed upon you as a result of being a British citizen, not as a member of the EU.

You can travel freely within other EU countries, you can receive health benefits in those countries, and have them paid for by the British Government, and you can purchase goods in another EU state, and bring them back to the UK, without having to pay any further duties on those goods to the UK government.

That's a pretty good deal providing you actually wish to take advantage of it, and barely scrapes the surface of the various EU subsidies, grants and awards, which the EU are aware enough to make, when our UK government would not.
Many bridges, community centres and civic amenities in Scotland are part financed with EU money, yet here in England, these things are not so obvious everywhere.
The places that benefit most tend to be the poorer areas, so Barrow-in-Furness and the surrounding areas, gets grants and subsidies to help the transition from an area dependant on one employer, to a more diverse economy.
If I were to re-locate my business to Furness, and take on an employee or two, I would get grants and premises and subsidised training paid for with EU grant money.
Unfortunately, when the start up money runs out, the UK government does not do as much to help it's own as the EU does, and I would find life difficult - and be forced to move to some other subsidised area, making the employees redundant and starting afresh!

I didn't get to vote in the referendum... but now we are in it, we should take FULL advantage of every opportunity it throws up, because eventually, like all enforced unions, it will break up... England Scotland Wales (1707 Act of Union), Russia, Yugoslavia... they all came apart at the seams eventually!

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

And strange that the break up of the (1707 Act of Union), was engineered by the present Govt.

So stand bye - for the future break up of the EEC - courtesy of a Labour Govt. (When it suites them)--( perhaps when tony isn't made life president of the EEU)

It was only engineered in an effort to appease the Scots and Welsh, who proposed deserting Labour for their own nationalist MP's.
HOW many SNP MP's are there in the Scottish parliament??

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

Ernest - i'm a scot living in england. To my mind, any scottish MP electd north of the border should be in the scottish parliament, not in the uk one. If we want full devolution , then we need to get all scots MP into Edinborough , and all english ones into westminster.
Does that state my position ?

...but how do you rate the SNP? They dont seem to have fared as well since the Scottish Parliament came into being!!
Mind you, maybe the Scots realised what a plonker Alex Salmond was
He should have stuck to intimidating old ladies outside the Timex factory, and doing dodgy deals behind their backs. Maybe that was before your time!
Him and John Prescott pi** in the same pot!

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

Ypu cannot be a citizen as we live in a monarchy, not a republc

You're a citizen of the european union. You may well be a subject of the monarch in this country, but the monarchy no longer has any power. Laws made in Brussels take priority over english law/s.

[quote="Ernest Marsh]"Him and John Prescott pi** in the same pot![/quote]


And get away with throwing punches at egg throwers ---
Always got a little bit suspicious of the SNP ----tooooo far left for my liking

i remember the english MPs moaning a few months ago about having no voice in Scottish decisions but Scottish MPs could vote down south. it was obviously too much for them to figure out that Scottish laws dont affect them so why should they be involved? but their laws affect all of us. complex stuff eh?

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Richie

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Close, but no cigar. It's not that English MPs don't get a vote on certain Scottish issues that don't affect England. That seems perfectly reasonable. Nor is it that Scottish MPs can vote on issues that affect the enitre UK. Again, no probs. It's that Scottish MPs are still allowed to vote on issues that concern England only and have no effect on their constituents north of the border. In fairness IIRC a handful do abstain in these situations..

It's nothing particularly new either. West Lothian Question

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