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And why do you CONSTANTLY do it? I don't even know where ONE speed camera is, in this country. Because I never speed.
So can any of you explain WHY you find it necessary to speed, apart from the obvious psychological problems that you must obviously suffer from?

Let me explain it for you: if you are motivated to speed, it's because of the way you FEEL. (You know, the thing you never actually talk about on this site...) You FEEL bad when you drive. You feel FEAR when you drive. How pathetic. So in order to escape this feeling, you risk other people's lives, because you feel 'constricted', even though you're travelling at over 30 mph. Seriously, you all need to get a life and start learning about something none of you have: gratitude. Gratitude that you have a car. Gratitude that you still have the use of your legs.

I've got four lovely cameras mounted in my car and I'm compiling a nice body of evidence against speeding drivers (and other bad drivers). I'll be taking my first compilation to the police tomorrow - eight cases of dangerous driving, in only one week. I'll be interested to see what they do with unequivocal evidence. Let's hope some of your lot are on there...

And you have informed these miscreants of your secret filming activities? Hope you like porridge, Matey!




Kick this tw@t into touch, Paul....

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Licat volare si super tergum aquila volat...

Bloody Hell Paul, that was quick!

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Licat volare si super tergum aquila volat...

It was me, not Paul. SafeSpeed is not a one-man band

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

"four lovely cameras" I doubt they are type approved hence the evidence is inadmissable.
"four lovely cameras" I hope he's registered with the DPA.
"four lovely cameras" That must double the value of his Allegro.
When he gets to the Police Station they should take care of him 'for his own protection' it's been difficult for him since Neighbourhood Watch disbanded.

I didn't think his post in this thread warranted his suspension but the abuse in his other post did.

fatboytim

awwww.... i was looking forward to mosis mk1 posting some videos for us when he was around before.

bring it on .... its what you tube was made for

I think the thread title deserves a quality response:



It is of course the wrong question. A better question might be: "Why do we have speeding laws and how should they be enforced?"

But that does nothing to address the essence of the original question.

My answer is: Speeding is a side effect of the safe driving process. Drivers must constantly manage speed relative to the immediate local conditions. If they drive to the speed limit they aren't doing it right, and sometimes will be dangerously wrong.

The idea that we should be able to seemlessly switch between setting speed to conditions below the speed limit, yet setting speed for legal reasons once the speed limit is reached is more than the human brain should be trusted to do. The key problem is that setting speed to conditions is a mainly subconscious activity, while setting speed to the speed limit (i.e. when the conditions would permit a higher speed than is legal) is mainly a conscious activity. Passing control of speed backwards and forwards between conscious and subconscious layers is NOT going to take place at exactly the right instant - and those driving to the legal limit will find themselves still driving at the limit even after those driving to the conditions have slowed down.

This is the exact reason that excessive speed crashes are INCREASING in the speed camera era.

And anyway, since experienced drivers do not need a speedo AT ALL to drive safely, driver time and attention spent on the speedo and speed limit is valuable time that could have been put to much better use looking out for hazards.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

I agree completely.
3 years ago (or thereabouts) the electronic speedo on the wife's Xantia developed a fault whereby it would read 50mph regardless of actual road speed.
Both myself & the wife managed 18 months of incident free driving without having a correctly functioning speedometer before the car was sold to a friend.
The friend has had the car since then, and she too has managed to get from A to B quite happily without the speedo working either.

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

So when confronted with a 30mph three-lane dual carriageway which is completely undeveloped this person couldn't see why people would speed.

Playing by numbers doesn't make you safe, being sensible is a much better policy.

Maybe this person could go out filming abusive chavs with knives or boy racers rather than normal people getting about everyday lives but doing 33mph in a 30mph limit.

I would bet my years salary that if I covertly tailed Mosis around for a week I would catch him speeding at one point - especially if I sent him off outside his usual driving area on a long trip (Wales maybe).
My wife followed the do-gooder lecturer from her speeding semina (they where both going nearly the same way - she's not MI5 or anything) and he was doing 35+ in a 30 .

Shame to ban him - I want to see the results of these cameras he's knocked up.

Oh dear. Are you blind?
I would respectfully suggest that you need to develop using your vision to include the side of the road as well as what's actually on it.

For example, parked cars - it's worth looking underneath them as you approach - you may see feet, which might indicate a child about to run out in the road.

Loads more examples which may improve your driving, if you wish to make sensible contributions?

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Pecunia Prius Equitas et Salus

Aww! You beat me to it! I was going to suggest that not paying any attention to camera locations was a bad thing for the same reason. Clearly Mosis feels that staying within the posted limit exempts him from having to pay attention to his surroundings. He clearly hasn't entertained the possibility that some other motorist in front of him (less accomplished than our biblical friend obviously!) might see the camera and jump on the brakes. Now if Mosis really WAS a safe driver, he'd use his observational skills to spot potential hazards like speed cameras and be ready for the actions of other motorists in their vicinity! As it is, he's using his (clearly limited) powers of observation for other things. I only hope someone stops him before he causes an accident. After all, I believe that recent government research seems to have moved the blame for the causation of a great many accidents away from exceeding the speed limit and towards inattention!

PLEASE let him continue to post here! I'd WET myself laughing if he films a plain clothes police car and reports it!

Ahh, but Mole, you forget that if the car infront is speeding then Mosis will fall way behind and won't need to worry, and if the car in front isn't speeding then it won't slam on!

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i'm not completely sure i buy this.

cameras not withstanding, i make a concious effort to keep track of what the limit is.
and knowing this i (sometimes) make a concious choice to exceed it depending on the road & conditions amnd a zillion other (yes maybe subconcious) variables.... the amount to which i choose to exceed it also varies based on the above.

i guess it depends on the kind of road you travel on... 50% of the time (i.e. in town & on NSL lanes) i'd say i run on subconcious speed choice with the limit being mostly a periperal concern.

the other 50% on free flowing mways, DC & major SC the max speed my subconcious would go to may be significantly beyond the limit.. hence my choice is governed by a perceived acceptable margin over the limit for that particular road.

and in the case of approaching a bend on a major SC road i would say yes i do switch easily between the two methods of speed selection.

Oh but they Do!!!!!!

Typically, it's when someone new to the area sees the camera and isn't sure whether it's a 30 or a 40 limit but brakes to 30 just to be on the safe side. I've done it myself unfortunately, going into Leeds, morning rush hour, loads of people up my backside, trying to suss out where I'm supposed to be going and then, just as driving was difficult enough thank-you-very-much, I spot a speed camera and no repeater signs anywhere in sight. So I slowed down. Ok, I didn't brake harshly and nobody ran into the back of me but it is just Sooooo easy to do!

The other sort I see are the flat-capped elderly ones who obviously don't trust their speedos (or maybe the authorities!) and brake to give themselves a wide margin of error. Almost every time I go past our local fixed cameras on the A595 (which is a 40) I see some people slowing down to 30 - just in case!

I found one of his videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhK54dk6 ... ed&search=
fatboytim

You mean one of him or one he's taken?

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Pecunia Prius Equitas et Salus

that's funny

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

I don't need to go to youtube.com in order to watch examples of bad driving.

My answer to the title question would be:

I do not find it neccessary to speed - I just do not find it neccessary to match my speed with the speed limit.

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