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Seriously though I think that the really reason for not seeing someone is down to not looking properly .

There may be phyisologial or eviromental reason for the ocassional mishap but most of the time it is down to laziness.


What makes you think that? Laziness? What's your evidence?


A nice emotive word Laziness isn't it !

People dont see other road users (not only bikes) for 4 reasons

1. Enviromental , sun in their eyes etc. Not much we can do about this but it seems to be an over used excuse.

2. Medial and/or fatigue - then you shouldn't be driving.

3. Distractions mobiles,Radios etc - then you shouldn't be driving.

4. Not giving your full concentration to the task in hand ie 'LAZY' driving aka driving without due care.

Documentary evidence for this is very difficult to produce, this is just my Opinion after 7 year driving RRVs which are designed to be as conspiquous as possible - retroreflective markings,flashing blue lights,flashing headlights , sirens etc and I am still amzed by the number of people who don't see you.


Perhaps people miss seeing what they don't expect to see?

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Perhaps people miss seeing what they don't expect to see?


Sorry but people should expect to see other vehicles on the road !

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Perhaps people miss seeing what they don't expect to see?


Sorry but people should expect to see other vehicles on the road !


Yes they should, but if people hardly ever see a motorcycle coming down the road when they are at a junction then maybe when one does come along they just overlook it?
Its all to do with human physiology I suppose, and I'm not a physiologist (or whatever one would be called).

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It's a risk reducing excercise to wear Hi viz and/or use headlights which are designed to make you more visible in the vast majority of cases.
But, apparently, doing those things make you less visible! (Even though I can spot plod on a bike a mile off, in front or behind, when he's got his lights & hi-viz on)...
What else can we do?


If possible I do the same as when filtering. I weave across my lane so that I am not approaching in one plane. As already mentioned, if an object is travelling straight at you it is extremely hard to judge speed. Hence the accidents with people crossing railway tracks with a train approaching.

BTW the only SMIDSY's I've had are people who didn't even look or I was obscured, in one instance by a hawking great lorry which had let them cross. The ones that have looked have seen me.

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The ones that have looked have seen me.


EXACTLY MY POINT !!

We shouldn't make excuses for pepoles bad driving.
This is symptamatic of this pink and fluffy/PC world we live in now, where someone/something else is always to blame.

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The ones that have looked have seen me.


A couple of months ago, a young girl pulled out on me whist staring straight into my eyes. It was a buttock clenching moment!!

Just goes to show - there's more to this SMIDSY thing than meets the eye.... :)

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A couple of months ago, a young girl pulled out on me whist staring straight into my eyes.



Maybe if she wasn't lost in your eyes she wouldn't of pulled out ! :lol: :lol:

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A couple of months ago, a young girl pulled out on me whist staring straight into my eyes.



Maybe if she wasn't lost in your eyes she wouldn't of pulled out ! :lol: :lol:


Yeah! The thought had crossed my mind... :wink:

But to be serious for a second, I think it's also something to do with a subconscious perceived threat. Big trucks will hurt - little bikes will bounce off.

edited to add: not that mine's little, of course.

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Don't worry Grumpy, size doesn't matter. :wink:

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The ones that have looked have seen me.


A couple of months ago, a young girl pulled out on me whist staring straight into my eyes. It was a buttock clenching moment!!

Just goes to show - there's more to this SMIDSY thing than meets the eye.... :)

I remember when doing my CBT/DAS stuff, the instructor said "make sure you get eye contact with drivers waiting at junctions"! Sod that - I make sure I've either got an escape route or sufficient stopping time/distance/safety bubble etc. now...

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Perhaps people miss seeing what they don't expect to see?


Sorry but people should expect to see other vehicles on the road !


Yes they should, but if people hardly ever see a motorcycle coming down the road when they are at a junction then maybe when one does come along they just overlook it?
Its all to do with human physiology I suppose, and I'm not a physiologist (or whatever one would be called).

Hmmm, I hardly ever see a tank or Exocet missile come down my road, but I'd like to think if one did, I wouldn't just 'overlook' it...

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Perhaps people miss seeing what they don't expect to see?


Sorry but people should expect to see other vehicles on the road !


Yes they should, but if people hardly ever see a motorcycle coming down the road when they are at a junction then maybe when one does come along they just overlook it?
Its all to do with human physiology I suppose, and I'm not a physiologist (or whatever one would be called).

Hmmm, I hardly ever see a tank or Exocet missile come down my road, but I'd like to think if one did, I wouldn't just 'overlook' it...


That maybe your answer Botty. Convert your fairing into the front-end view of a Challenger tank. Might not be too good for the aerodynamics though :lol:

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Perhaps people miss seeing what they don't expect to see?


Sorry but people should expect to see other vehicles on the road !


Yes they should, but if people hardly ever see a motorcycle coming down the road when they are at a junction then maybe when one does come along they just overlook it?
Its all to do with human physiology I suppose, and I'm not a physiologist (or whatever one would be called).

Hmmm, I hardly ever see a tank or Exocet missile come down my road, but I'd like to think if one did, I wouldn't just 'overlook' it...


I'd like to think I always take time to conduct proper observation at a junction too BB. But I'm trying to suggests reaosns why people don't see an oncoming motorcycle.
Yes a driver should expect to see other vehicles cloming along the road, and if one is there then they should see that vehicle when he/she looks for clearance to pull out of a junction.
So what if they don't see it and they pull out on a motorcyle resulting in a crash?
Has our knowledge of what they should do actually helped in any way? Although we can have the book of litigation thrown at the errant driver we really want to know why that individual failed to see the bike don't we? Because the threat of legal action doesn't stop people from having observation failures, although the real threat of punitive punishment may make an few take a bit more care.

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Perhaps people miss seeing what they don't expect to see?


Sorry but people should expect to see other vehicles on the road !


Yes they should, but if people hardly ever see a motorcycle coming down the road when they are at a junction then maybe when one does come along they just overlook it?
Its all to do with human physiology I suppose, and I'm not a physiologist (or whatever one would be called).

Hmmm, I hardly ever see a tank or Exocet missile come down my road, but I'd like to think if one did, I wouldn't just 'overlook' it...


I'd like to think I always take time to conduct proper observation at a junction too BB. But I'm trying to suggests reaosns why people don't see an oncoming motorcycle.
Yes a driver should expect to see other vehicles cloming along the road, and if one is there then they should see that vehicle when he/she looks for clearance to pull out of a junction.
So what if they don't see it and they pull out on a motorcyle resulting in a crash?
Has our knowledge of what they should do actually helped in any way? Although we can have the book of litigation thrown at the errant driver we really want to know why that individual failed to see the bike don't we? Because the threat of legal action doesn't stop people from having observation failures, although the real threat of punitive punishment may make an few take a bit more care.
The only reason I can truthfully think of, is they pure & simple can't be arsed to look properly. Perhaps it's the same reason why they don't indicate? Surely that's nothing to do with motion camouflage or perceived threat is it?

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