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Naa, he's just an internet stalker!

R1 - I don't weave when filtering - riding up the M1 at the weekend there wasn't room! (However, riding with someone on a white BMW 80 with full faring, who was wearing a white helmet and highviz can't have hindered the situation! :lol: )

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My tall screen is in perfect condition apart from an inch long crack emanating from the top edge.

Ah. Thanks for your honesty! Well, make me an offer on my standard screen... Where are you located?


I think it's time we went PM :)


Aww, just as it was getting interesting.. :hehe:


Crikey, since when did you find motorbike screens interesting? You must be ill! :D


Either that or joking. Or both. :hehe:

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Therefore it follows there’s a transition state somewhere about twilight time, when their use becomes indifferent to you. So how dark does it have to be before you’re in the safety zone?

Quite dark - but the unnecessary use of headlights in twilight does require that I too have to put them on or risk being hidden in the appalling dazzle of everyone else's lights.
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And wouldn’t all the arguments about unintentional flashing, dazzling and masking apply equally at night?

Of course it does it does and riding at night is particularly dangerous for motorcycles but I suspect there is less (if any) 'helpful' flashing at vehicles waiting at junctions in the dark so that particular problem is not likely to be a problem.
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The strongest argument I can find for their use is that it is becoming the convention for bikes to ride with lights on. This means that ‘lights means bikes’ to an increasing number of motorists.

Even more reason why you should not use headlights in daylight.

If you have some, can you show me some research that shows the use of daytime headlights has reduced the total numbers of KSI? In the link to the DADRL I posted earlier you will see some evidence that compulsory DRL is causing a rise in casualties (and deaths) to vulnerable road users. Do you want to be part of the problem or part of the solution?


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Sorry, I can't be bothered to answer that pile of rubbish tonight. Perhaps tomorrow when I'm feeling more charitable.

You don't want to buy a slightly damaged, extended screen for a Honda Pan European ST1100, do you?




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Do you want to be part of the problem or part of the solution?


Is that your catchphrase?

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Grumpy Old Biker wrote:
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Sorry, I can't be bothered to answer that pile of rubbish tonight. Perhaps tomorrow when I'm feeling more charitable.

Rubbish? Don't bother then. It will just be as dull and ill-considered as everything else you have regurgitated so far.
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Do you want to be part of the problem or part of the solution?

Is that your catchphrase?

No, it was a question. One that is obviously way too hard for a halfwit like you to answer.


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Sorry, I can't be bothered to answer that pile of rubbish tonight. Perhaps tomorrow when I'm feeling more charitable.

Rubbish? Don't bother then. It will just be as dull and ill-considered as everything else you have regurgitated so far.
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Do you want to be part of the problem or part of the solution?

Is that your catchphrase?

No, it was a question. One that is obviously way too hard for a halfwit like you to answer.


So you don't want the screen then?

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I don't pretend to know anything about motorbikes, but surely having a switch gives you more choices. You can still have the lights on all the time if you want. Or you can not.

Also, how can you flash your headlight if you can't turn it off?

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I don't pretend to know anything about motorbikes, but surely having a switch gives you more choices. You can still have the lights on all the time if you want. Or you can not.

Also, how can you flash your headlight if you can't turn it off?



Agreed :thumbsup: The flash turns the headlight onto main beam from dip, which isn't very distinguishable TBH.


I don't know... I'm gone for a few days and there's been love, war and a garage sale :) I must get a connection at home.

I'm still of the opinion that it should be about choice. The fact that some-body, or some manufacturer, has unilaterally decided to do something on the basis of safety without any actual research as to whether it IS safer smacks a little of the speed (safe) camera thing. What happened to doing some proper impartial research first to see how best to tackle a problem?

As I see it, flashing is mainly used to say to someone else that you can pull out etc., which is actually wrong/illegal. Its proper intention, to let someone know you are there, is not what it is actually used for by enlarge. Just like horns - they are chiefly used by some lazy bum to signal 'get yer arse out here, I'm waiting or have just arrived'.

Can I say one thing which really irks me is when I see bikers who have their headlights on full beam during the day. They pi$$ me off. Put them on low beam if you want but don't dazzle me during the day.

Well, that's my 2p worth for today...

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Ziltro wrote:
I don't pretend to know anything about motorbikes, but surely having a switch gives you more choices. You can still have the lights on all the time if you want. Or you can not.

Also, how can you flash your headlight if you can't turn it off?


Exactly the same as you do a car when you are on dipped headlights, except bikes have a Pass button on the LHS handlebar for this purpose.

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Agreed :thumbsup: The flash turns the headlight onto main beam from dip, which isn't very distinguishable TBH.


You've not seen the difference with an R1 then.

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Can I say one thing which really irks me is when I see bikers who have their headlights on full beam during the day. They pi$$ me off. Put them on low beam if you want but don't dazzle me during the day.


Are the bikes dazzling you from behind or in front? I suspect behind as most bike lights are higher than a car's. Do you have the same problem with, say, a Range Rover with dipped lights? I know I did in my old car.

Another reason could be that the filament for the dip beam has blown but the rider still wants headlights, side lights are virtually invisible on bikes, so has opted to use full beam while travelling to the shop to buy a new bulb; something I have had to do once in rush hour. BTW, I'm not justifiying but presenting examples.

Only on the R1, I have had cars flash me when approaching them at night on unlit roads, travelling in the opposite direction, because they think that I am on full beam. They stop as soon as I give them a quick flash with the high beam though.

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If the bike's suspension is out of adjustment or hasn't been adjusted for the weight of the rider, the rider is carrying a pillion / luggage, the rider is accellerating hard... etc etc

All of the above means that 'proper' headlight adjustment on a bike is virtually impossible...

(BTW if my typing sux its because I've suffered the perrils of riding in an openface and currently have a patch over one eye...)

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If the bike's suspension is out of adjustment or hasn't been adjusted for the weight of the rider, the rider is carrying a pillion / luggage, the rider is accellerating hard... etc etc

All of the above means that 'proper' headlight adjustment on a bike is virtually impossible...

(BTW if my typing sux its because I've suffered the perrils of riding in an openface and currently have a patch over one eye...)


Agree with all said.

Having had a piece of swarf in my eye and the resulting week with a patch I can sympathise. Next time wear some shades or those yellow tinted shades; better them than goggles or a permanent patch :wink:

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Agreed :thumbsup: The flash turns the headlight onto main beam from dip, which isn't very distinguishable TBH.


You've not seen the difference with an R1 then.


No I haven't but I'm sure it's better than mine. My humble KLV1000 hasn't got the best lights. It has four at the front which are always on but they're more 'to be seen' than to see by. The suspension is soft on these big tourer/trailie things so, if I set the lights for solo riding, when someone jumps on the back the lights head skywards and I'm dazzling drivers. I've had to set them up for rider and pillion which means when I'm solo the lights are too low. Bad design IMHO :x I agree with Sixy, I know it happens to a greater or lesser degree on all bikes but mine is especailly bad. I wouldn't mind so much if it was quick and easy to re-adjust them :x

BTW, are you going to change your user name when you trade in for the new Hyabusa or Kawasaki 1400? :wink: ZZR Nut sounds good :)


I take your point with the dazzler bikers but I'm sure that's rare. I feel it's bikers who just feel they are more visible if they have it on main beam all the time. I do have sensitive eyes, like my heart :puke: so it does bother me when someone really is on main beam.

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BTW, are you going to change your user name when you trade in for the new Hyabusa or Kawasaki 1400? :wink: ZZR Nut sounds good :)


Not at all. I have no intention of buying a new bike. My bike serves my needs, if anything I'll buy another bike but I'd still keep my R1.

While we were at Cadwell the missus was walking around pointing to GSXR 760's, ZXR 1000's and the like oohing and aahing over them. When I pointed out that the pillions were miniscule even compared to mine she turned to me and said "Who said I was choosing them for you? I like them for me." Only thing is, I can't see us affording her taking her test before the new regs come in next year as we've just had to buy a new(er) car because the other one cracked it's cylinder head. :oops:

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(BTW if my typing sux its because I've suffered the perrils of riding in an openface and currently have a patch over one eye...)


I hope it's not too serious Sixy?

When I was riding with my friend just last week, after we pulled up he said a stone or something flicked-up and hit him on the chest, when we were both overtaking a car, so hard it felt like someone punched him. Sure enough, he had a bruise to be proud of!

I've never had something hit me in the face but I have many times on the leg or hand - it smarts!

It's for this reason I've never liked an open face helment but also, I can't get above about 30mph without my eyes watering and blurred vision anyway. So I always marvel at people like yourself who can. I Wear specs which may be part of the reason, vortex or something, but even so the thought of rushing through the air with nothing betwen my eyeballs and the crap that flicks up horrifies me.

It sounds like it could have been much worse; you were lucky.


Get well soon.

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While we were at Cadwell the missus was walking around pointing to GSXR 760's...
When's Suzuki releasing them? ;)

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While we were at Cadwell the missus was walking around pointing to GSXR 760's...
When's Suzuki releasing them? ;)


Pedant :lol: Just fat fingers and scan reading.

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Maybe we'll all meet up and ohhh and ahhh at the NEC this November/December? What an absolutely stupid time to hold a bike show! Don't they realise it's like trying to sell ice to Eskimos at that time of year? What is wrong with people? You go there and see something you like which makes you drool but you can't get it until the following year and even if you could get it now it's too cold. It's like having a snog with Kate Bush, or maybe George Clooney for you girls, and then they run off.

Every year I go to the stupid place on my motorbike, freezing my nads off, and every year I wonder why I bothered. The first bike show I went to was on a sunny day at Earls Court in 1976 on my green Honda 250 G5, 27 BHP, (felt like 2 BHP at the back wheel) and cost me £520 brand new in 1975. Reg KOG 178P You never forget your first love. (Jackanory)

I'll be tempted to buy something different when they bring out a bike that looks a sexy as a GSXR 1000 but with real clocks like the Busa. Oh, and a light switch please ;) And I agree with the lower foot pegs. And also enough room for a second arse might be appreciated by my honeybunchkins. It may suit you Japanese guys but us fat and lanky Europeans need a bit more leg room. When I rode my mates R6 I looked like Sasquatch on a childs toy. Very nippy but I was glad to get back on mine. Well there's no substitue for cubes, as they say. :roll:

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There are major advantages to being short! And you boys should tell your girls to get their own bikes if they want to complain about the size of the pillion seat!

I always wear glasses with the open face, this just got in round the side... Should be OK by tomorrow I hope...and I've been signed off work til monday! :D

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Sixy_the_red wrote:
There are major advantages to being short! And you boys should tell your girls to get their own bikes if they want to complain about the size of the pillion seat!


She doesn't, it was I that pointed out they were miniscule :wink:

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I always wear glasses with the open face, this just got in round the side... Should be OK by tomorrow I hope...and I've been signed off work til monday! :D


At least you can relax in the nice weather we're having :thumbsup:

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