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I personally wonder why people don't use the horn? and think any possible safety benefit would be outwayed by the negative 'noisy speeding biker' image.

Yes, and I don't think residents on roads regularly used by bikes with noisy exhausts would be very happy about it.

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The problem is the same as that for headlight use, you are relying on the ability of other road users to recognise the 'signal' and act on what they perceive for your benefit, when you should be relying on your own skills and abilities to avoid incidents.


Road safety needs both behaviours (not getting in the way of others, and avoiding those that get in our way). Take away either and we're in big trouble. Build on both and we're doing well.

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I personally wonder why people don't use the horn? and think any possible safety benefit would be outwayed by the negative 'noisy speeding biker' image.

Yes, and I don't think residents on roads regularly used by bikes with noisy exhausts would be very happy about it.



I would be quite happy to execute the driver of every vehicle, on two wheels or four, that is on the road with noisy pipes. Anti social is what it is. I had hoped that Mr Rossi's use of a "silencer" on his race bike would rub off on the Moto GP wannabes, but no...

Every engine has to pass noise regulations, for good reason, then some one fit's a loud pipe to their vehicle. I have stood next to a Merc tractor unit with the V8 that at idle sounded like a well oiled sewing machine. There is a twat around here that races up the 30 limit high street I live on on a newish Kawasaki with NO silencer. I hope he falls off.

If I can hear your stupid antisocial noisey pipes in my car it is because I need to turn the rock music up.


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adam.L wrote:
Anti social


No No No No no No No

Please stop using the pet word of the PC brigade.

The problem is it is used for describing everything that is out of the nice regulated normal behaivour they want us to use.

If you were to say "noisey f***er" then fair play :D

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No No No No no No No

Please stop using the pet word of the PC brigade.

The problem is it is used for describing everything that is out of the nice regulated normal behaivour they want us to use.

If you were to say "noisey f***er" then fair play :D


I'd love to park my company vehicle outside the houses of the tossers with noisey pipes, on a dynamometer, under full load, with the exhaust system removed, for a full tank of fuel (10hrs).

I hope they get tinnitus like I have. Tossers


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If I can hear your stupid antisocial noisey pipes in my car it is because I need to turn the rock music up.

But this is just another reason why loud pipes can be beneficial. If every car driver paid attention to their driving and didn't have their stereos on full blast, maybe some bikers wouldn't feel the need to put loud pipes on?

We know car drivers don't use their eyes properly - so loud pipes let drivers make use of another sense - hearing.

Also, pedestrians wandering around with a mobile phone glued to their ear trying to get hit by cars/bikes...

Loud pipes can be beneficial.

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In addition, there's a difference between OEM too quiet to hear, loud, very loud and race-can-without-the-baffles. My old Honda has a replacement can, is legal but sounds like a bike. I was following a Balckbird into London yesterday and even with my earplugs in it it was painfully noisy to be behind. What's the point of that - it's not as if those things need the performance? I reckon everyone for 400 yards in all directions could have heard him.

Actually, maybe that was the point...

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Rubbish.

I love your powers of argument. :roll:

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You should be the one responsible for your own safety be it awareness of pedestrians with mobiles or other drivers, you are the one who should be responsible for your own well being, not someone else.

I agree entirely! :shock:

And part of my responsibility is to help drivers know that I'm there, by me making it as easy as possible for them to see me, be that by use of my headlight or by wearing a day-glo jacket.

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Do you also wear a day-glo jacket to 'help' other road users see you? If not why not?


Yes, I do sometimes wear a day-glo jacket to help others see me - I sure as hell don't wear it as a fashion statement!

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Yes, I do sometimes wear a day-glo jacket to help others see me

If you really think it 'helps' anyone, why not always wear it?

It depends on where I'm going and at what time of day.

It also depends on whether the missus is on the back - she won't come on the back if I am - she says it gives her a headache...

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my call for helpers has obviously been missed ;)

is nobody interested in contributing to a policy document that sets out the sorts of things we'd like the powers that be to consider?

come on - lots of opinions and knowledge in here


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adam.L wrote:
I'd love to park my company vehicle outside the houses of the tossers with noisey pipes, on a dynamometer, under full load, with the exhaust system removed, for a full tank of fuel (10hrs).


Yes, I'd love to see you do that and melt a hole in your engine!

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I'd love to park my company vehicle outside the houses of the tossers with noisey pipes, on a dynamometer, under full load, with the exhaust system removed, for a full tank of fuel (10hrs).


Yes, I'd love to see you do that and melt a hole in your engine!


That machine is well within it's design limitations running stationary under full load, when they get sent for testsing they have to run for 40hrs like that and I understand they will stand 2,000hrs under full load with out a break, so fear not.


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So lets have a think. Kick the side stand from under a stationary motorcycle and it falls over. So even with the engine off, bikes arn't the last word in safety.

I'm struggling with the mentality that goes with buying a machine that does 0-60 in 3 secs, touch 100mph in first and pull wheelies in the first 3 gears and then worry about safety. It's like keeping a pet tiger and worrying it will bite you.

Loud pipes are just boys and toys. He tells is wife that the new Akrapovic race system is on safety grounds and tells his mates that it gives him an extra 2.3 hp at 16,000 rpm and he cane really tell the difference, because he's a great rider and Repsol Honda had better offer him a deal soon before someone else snaps him up.

Do you rekon Wayne in his chavved up Saxo is safer with his dustbin exhaust pipe? Me neither.


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