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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 18:43 
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Hills number plates pioneered the idea of using rfid in a number plate. The latest offering is the "Hiltek" design plate with the numbers on the front, leaving the back to contain "electronics". There seems no reason why a simple id tag should be used, more complex ones are available in the same size. Besides, number plates will soon have to have the VIN number of the vehicle on them as well.

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The visible vehicle Identification Number (VIN) would be displayed on the Number Plate. We have built this facility into our latest version of our software and will be available for installation when the commencement date is given.


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Electronic tagging of number plates offers possibility of making a limited improvement in advance of a full system of electronic vehicle identification system (EVI) and DVLA concluded that, “it is evident that technological solutions exist, and could be put into operation in the not too distant future”. As part of the Hiltek plate development we have developed e-plate, which is, a fully compliant number plates containing an active RFID tag and it is available for demonstration and installation now.


http://www.hillsnumberplates.com/dvla_cons.html


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DVLA crime reduction officer Allan Lindenburn said “We have looked at the problem of motorcycle Vehicle Excise Duty evasion, which is obviously higher than for any other vehicles, and we’re simply looking to address the problem.”

Why obviously? The figures may bare this out but his choice of words are an insult to us two wheelers who are legit. Are we talking a % of registered bikes evading vs cars or hard numbers? You can bet the number of unlicenced cars outweighs the number of bikes by several times over. I smell people looking for any easy option to justify their jobs.

And what's the crime reduction officer doing looking into tax evasion which is a civil offence not a crime I think.

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'Ludicrous' figures back call for spy chips
By Chris Newbigging

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01 August 2007 10:37


The DVLA renewed calls for spy chips to be fitted in motorcycle number plates last week, claiming 37 per cent of us evade road tax.

But the DVLA’s own survey could only prove that 16 per cent of bikers were riding without road tax.

A report on the accounts of the DVLA published last week by the National Audit Office claims figures from a roadside survey show over one third of motorcycles on the road are untaxed.

The Agency has suggested the possible implementation of compulsory fitment of small chips (as seen in chip and pin credit cards) in motorcycle number plates could help address the problem. The blow comes half-way through a six-month study into the feasibility of making the chips compulsory on all new motorcycles.

The Department for Transport conducted a roadside survey (the findings of which are used by the DVLA) in June last year, and despite only 16 per cent of surveyed motorcycles evading tax, a formula used by the DfT estimates that 37 per cent of all motorcycles used on UK roads are untaxed.

Craig Carey-Clinch, policy director for the Motor Cycle Industry Association said: “We’ve looked at this and we don’t think 37 per cent is a likely figure. One third of all motorbikes not taxed seems a ludicrous figure to come too.

“The survey used to be pretty robust but we think the methodology is falling by the wayside somewhere as vehicle trends tend to change.

“We’ve already called on the DfT at this time to review their methodology and the way they work. The work should be done by proper on the spot surveys and not some spurious computer modelling that comes up with unrealistic figures.

“We’ve put the point to the compartment and they’ve agreed to look at it, so we’ll see what happens.”


This one isn't going away :(

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not some spurious computer modelling that comes up with unrealistic figures


Wonder what his views are on Global Warming :evil:

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a formula used by the DfT estimates that 37 per cent of all motorcycles used on UK roads are untaxed.


It's all out of spite; it's obvious what they're up to when they're using a formula as an excuse to use these tags. I'd like to see the formula they use. I wonder if it's the same formula they use for predicting global warming. :(

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This is the thin end of the wedge leading to universal RFID (or something like it) for all road users. Resist it at all costs.

Also, how will they actually help with the "problem" noted?

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Dixie wrote:
a formula used by the DfT estimates that 37 per cent of all motorcycles used on UK roads are untaxed.



I wonder how many bikes, out of those registered, are SORNed. Wouldn't be somewhere near......37% ?

So the DfT formula is: Quantity of m/cycles SORNed equals 37%; therefore quantity untaxed and being used = SORNed X 1.

In any case, the plates would be mandatory. Not having a responding plate would be an absolute offence and the bike would be scrapped.
Whoever said laws have to be fair or reasonable ?
Or even legal !


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DVLA crime reduction officer Allan Lindenburn said “We have looked at the problem of motorcycle Vehicle Excise Duty evasion, which is obviously higher than for any other vehicles, and we’re simply looking to address the problem.”


No, not VED evasion, forward facing camera evasion.

All they do is fit the Truvelo with an RFID scanner ...

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