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... then EITHER you had turned in excess of 90 degrees OR your adversary had made valiant attempts to give you space when he saw he was en pris by nudgeing left to give you more room to stop.

Strangely I was in the situation today where I was turning right at a mini roundabout and the person coming the other way didn't give way!
Not quite sure why.
I seem to remember in the past that I have had issues remembering which way to give way to at mini roundabouts. It could be a left vs right thing?

There was also a car C who gave way because they saw car B coming along, maybe car B saw this and thought "well I have right of way then"?

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Andrew.

Maybe I meant front offside then? It was the front on the drivers side, thought that was near side! I hadn't turned in excess of 90 degrees.

P.s. There definitly was no valiant attempt to give me space to stop!!

Drivers' side is offside. Nearside is 'near the kerb'.

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Ok - so front offside - in which case a yank of left hand down either instead of or supplementary to braking (possibly missing your turn) would likely have stood a better chance of avoiding the coming together.

I have noticed a lot of people tend to give way only to traffic approaching from their right (and ignore what is coming from straight ahead), and some seem to have problems figuring out what they are supposed to do if there is no turning to their right. There is also a certain percentage of people who believe that mini roundabouts of that type are to be treat as a normal give way, and only traffic coming out of, or turning into (as you were) need pay any attention to them.

This wouldn't have worked as turning left to avoid the crash would have meant me crashing into a traffic island!

I meant a yank of left hand down to make the car go straight on (in the road from where your adversary had exited).

You are supposed to give way to anything already on the roundabout approaching from immediate right and in the case of "minis" be aware of right turners and U-turners. You are supposed to drive around the paint unless you have a large vehicle or trailer which makes this impossible.

You may be able to fight your case with the insurers on this basis. But do go back and take some photos as well as it does help put flesh onto your diagram.



Depends as to whether she accepts liability. Insurance companies like to mitigate their expenses and tend to go for "knock for knock " or " 50/50" in the case of a "disputed claim"


These are always tricky .. best of luck. Let us know how you get on.
If they try this one... suggest this is ex gratia on their part if you are convinced you are in the right here .. and it sounds as if you are from this post of yours.

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I was going to mention this because it is what I alwsy believed to be the case but the highway code now says "traffic approaching from the right", with no mention of traffic being on the roundabout having any significance.

The Highway Code isn't law.
I believe the law is as I posted above for the requirements of diagram 611.1.

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Andrew.

Ah, missed that.



Which is what the Highway Code says.

So it's not just traffic already on the roundabout but any traffic coming from the right.

Looks like.

Thinking about it, it is only the lines & signs which you are passing that you have to pay any attention to. Yes you can see the lines to your right, but they don't mean anything to you because you are not passing them.

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Let me just say that if I approach any roundabout .. I glance to my right und ahead to the right of the traffic to my right. They would then be on roundabout und already to my right.

Ist a case of COAST---- ing


Insurance may split this 50/50 or knock for knock. They are sharks und more so based on my own hit und run on car park. My lovely car.. Ist OK ... He ist recovering from his surgery now, I hope to collect und inspect him early this week. We have protected no claims .. but based on differential between insurance quote, dealer quote und listing of nice new car on a "been repaired" list.. und thus mega-depreciation und bothers at trade-ins.. we decide to hit the loss now as despite protected no claims.. these sharks would no doubt up the premium regardless.



Liebster JC .. am truly sorry. I hope it resolve OK for you.

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I know it's been quite a while since I posted (and in the meantime I even bought a new car!) But I thought I'd let you guys know what's happened since!!

Well, today I received my renewal quote and was shocked to find that my no claims bonus had been reduced to 3 years when It should have been 8 years!! I knew that this was probably (definitely) due to the ongoing claim but I decided to have it out with my insurers (Extremely large mammal usually found in Africa!!) anyway because I felt this was pretty harsh. After speaking to my insurers they said I had to speak to the claims department about it because they couldn't do anything about it in the customer services department, so they put me through to claims.

Anyway, I spoke to the person in claims and told them how outraged I was with the bonus reduction and wanted to know what was going on with regards to the claim. So the lady looked up the details on the computer and told me that in their last update they had heard back from the witness, stating my case and being very supportive to our cause and backing up the claim of liability!! I was shocked! I didn't expect the witness to come through for me even though I was pretty sure I wasn't largely to blame for the collision! Anyway, they've basically written to the party's insurers with a copy of the statement and a bill for 100% of their costs, demanding that it get paid soon to avoid legal action!!

So now it's just a matter of waiting for their response! Touch wood, as long as everything goes through ok and my no claims bonus gets reinstated, then I'd have to say that my insurers have been absolutely superb on the matter!! They continually pursued the matter and didn't just settle for 50:50 straight away!! I would definitely recommend them now!!

Let's hope it works out. Thanks for letting us know.

Been there, settled 50:50 (wife's bump, my policy)

They have a habit of telling you what they think you'd like to hear when you are on the phone in outraged mode.

In our case it was "you are definitely without a doubt 100% not to blame", 18 months later it was "we think you should settle 50:50 in order to get a quick conclusion".

Anyway, nice to hear the update. Keep us informed.

I have had a case where, IMO, it was the other driver's fault and I wrote to fully explain my position. Now, both I and the other party were insured by the same company so it was pointless them trying to recover costs. As far as I know, this ended with a 50/50 settlement as then they could charge both of us more in future instead of just one.

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