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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 00:34 
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Law Lords block police bid to stop critical mass cyclists

By Mike Taylor, PA
Wednesday, 26 November 2008

Police attempts to outlaw the monthly Critical Mass cycle ride through the streets of London unless its route was notified in advance were blocked by the Law Lords today.


The House of Lords allowed a challenge by cyclist Des Kay to a Court of Appeal ruling that the Metropolitan Police had the right to demand prior notice of the ride's date, time and route and the names and addresses of the organisers.


Cyclists who gather on the South Bank and ride through the city to celebrate safe cycling have in the past been handed written notices by the police stating that the event was unlawful because no advance notice was given.


But the Law Lords held that the event, which had no organisers or set route and proceeded on a "follow my leader" basis, was not governed by section 11 of the Public Order Act 1986.


Friends of the Earth Rights and Justice Centre, which acted for Mr Kay, hailed the ruling as "an important victory for the right to peaceful protest and for cyclists to take part in this monthly celebration of cycling".


Mr Kay, described by the Lords as an environmental educator and performing artist, said: "I'm thrilled with this judgment.


"This was a very important case for people like me who have cycled with Critical Mass for many years.


"More importantly, I hope that it will encourage other cyclists to join the monthly rides."


The Critical Mass rides are part of a global phenomenon in which cyclists in more than 400 cities worldwide take to the streets once a month in celebration of safe cycling.


The London ride has taken place on the last Friday of every month since April 1994.


The main legal issue in the appeal was whether the monthly rides were "commonly or customarily held", in which case they were exempt from the notification requirements of the Public Order Act 1986.


The legal action was a result of a leaflet handed out by police at the Critical Mass ride in September 2005, stating: "These cycle protests are not lawful because no organiser has provided police with the necessary notification. Your participation in this event could render you liable to prosecution."


Police lawyers had argued that the rides were not "commonly or customarily held" because, although they started at the same time from the same place on the South Bank, they did not follow the same route.


Therefore, police were entitled to advance notice of the route for the avoidance of public disorder and traffic disruption.


But Lord Phillips ruled today that the ride was a "customary procession", even though it did not follow the same route.


And the evidence showed the Met were usually able to police the ride without difficulty.


Lord Phillips added that an offence under Section 11 of the Act was only committed if the organisers of an event failed to comply with a prior obligation to give details of an intention to hold a "public procession".


Since Critical Mass had no organisers and there was no such obligation, the rides were not unlawful.


The police contended that, if a similar event were to be started elsewhere in the UK, it would be unlawful without prior notice of the route.


Lord Phillips said the Green and White Papers which led to the 1986 Public Order Act were at pains to underline the importance of the right to hold processions and the need for any restrictions to respect that right.


"It is inconceivable that Parliament could have intended, by a sidewind, to outlaw events such as Critical Mass," he said.


Lords Rodger, Carswell and Brown and Baroness Hale also allowed Mr Kay's appeal.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7750475.stm





http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 36014.html



It's not a jolly. It's discourteous to hold up other people trying to get home or trying to get to the theatre/cinema/opera/restaurant they have paid good cash for.

We were held up once in London and missed the first half of a West End show we had booked because our taxi could not move because of these ill mannered louts in lycra.

I am gobsmacked that the police request was not upheld give everything from playground tiggy tag games in a chool yard to conkers and old fashioned swings are subjected to health and safety.


:furious:

Still .. at least the Theare By The Lake puts on decent plays ... has a decent bar and brews fine coffee and home baked cakes. And not a cyclist in sight :lol:

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If you like Gilbert and Sullivan, Staveley Operatic Society puts on a good show! :)

Also, it's late night opening in the Mill Yard on the Thursday nights leading up to Christmas, and we have lights and a tree this year.
Hawkshead Brewery and Wilfs Cafe are just two of the attractions... and of course Wheelbase! :D

http://www.staveleymillyard.com and view the Current Businesses link.

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We are very much into "Gilbert und Sullivan". We shall have to come to see this und those lights down there :bounce1: :bounce1: With supper at Wilf's. YUM!

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its an interesting one isnt it really.

seems they have only dubious grounds legally to prevent it.
if the police think its such a problem surely they should be tackling individual riders for specific offences, or use football crowd style cctv to record offences to track down later on.

all part of london's rich tapestry :wink:

(for some reason reminds me of an extremely hairy cycle rickshaw ride up tottenham court road back from the theatre)


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If they are processing to celebrate safe cycling then surely they should be doing it on cyclepaths where available, and in single file as approprate to the road, as well as stopping at red lights and integrating with other traffic in a safe and courteous fashion.

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safe cycling isnt restricted to cycle paths 8-)


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ed_m wrote:
safe cycling isnt restricted to cycle paths 8-)


Who said it was?

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RobinXe wrote:
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safe cycling isnt restricted to cycle paths 8-)


Who said it was?



No one here.. But the point is about obeying red lights and allowing traffic to overtake.. which these idiots take pleasure in preventing.

I will hand a handwritten summons to the leader next time he stops us from attending a show we paid a lot of cash to see. :furious:

It cost us cash to travel by train.. and a taxi ..and we missed what we had paid for because of the SELFISH LOUTS IN LYCRA :furious:

I have RIGHTS here to go about my business and leisure unhindered by such selfish little prats. :furious:

I am not being unreasonable here.

A considerate road user respects the needs of all other road users .. and in the case of London ..visitors from elsewhere in the UK and from abroad. A Capital city is judged by the behaviour of those who reside there. So far - London is unattractive world wide in this respect. A long way to go before hosting a world event like the Olympic Games then :popcorn:

Manchester at least held a fine torch in 2002. Even though it was merely the "Commonwealth".. :popcorn:

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i understand your frustration moggie.... but why arent the police bothering to police these issues.

getting ahead of the route and making an obvious presence at traffic light controlled junctions would seem an obvious thing to do.

as for holding up traffic... i'm not sure legally you can demand single file, if there isnt road capacity for single file or 2-up arguably they could use the whole lane.
if its antagonistic & disruptively slow, sure its a problem but again, how exactly can the polcie enforce anything there?


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RobinXe wrote:
ed_m wrote:
safe cycling isnt restricted to cycle paths 8-)


Who said it was?


dont give me semantics :D you know what you implied.

i celebrate safe cycling on the public highway on a regular basis, rarely involves a cycle lane... and where it does its usually getting onto or off of the lane back into traffic that is the least safe part of the entire journey !


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Don't give me semantics bollocks when its quite clear you only read my post as far as cycle paths and then posted in a pique at the very suggestion that cyclists should use facilities provided for them when they have the opportunity to inconvenience other road users!

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Don't give me semantics bollocks when its quite clear you only read my post as far as cycle paths and then posted in a pique at the very suggestion that cyclists should use facilities provided for them when they have the opportunity to inconvenience other road users!


no. not at all. you should know me better than that.

if a group want to 'celebrate safe cycling' why can't they do it on the road ?

cycle lanes rightly remain an optional facility.


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if a group want to 'celebrate safe cycling' why can't they do it on the road ?


Again, who has said they can't? Have you read my initial post in it's entirety?

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i understand your frustration moggie.... but why arent the police bothering to police these issues.

getting ahead of the route and making an obvious presence at traffic light controlled junctions would seem an obvious thing to do.

as for holding up traffic... i'm not sure legally you can demand single file, if there isnt road capacity for single file or 2-up arguably they could use the whole lane.
if its antagonistic & disruptively slow, sure its a problem but again, how exactly can the polcie enforce anything there?


The point was .. the Met - even under Sir Ian Blair - tried to. :roll: Hence the court case which ruled that the ride was not a "politcal protest" and thus "not subject to the provisions under the 1986 Public Order Act" :roll:

Police were only asking for a plan of the proposed route so that London and other cities do not become gridlocked by this. It's not asking for that much co-operation on the part of these militantly "so called "green" louts in lycra.


When I took my wife for a much needed and earned treat to London's West End .. travelling down by TRAIN and using the taxi as we had some luggage. (She took her three "best frocks" with what she calls "matching doo-dahs!" as "she could not decide which one .. :roll: Wimmin :banghead:) - we got held up by these idiots. The taxi driver was fuming too. Nothing he could do for us.

Now we paid good hard earned cash to have what we had hoped to be a relaxing and enjoyable weekend savouring London WITHOUT our kids for once. ( They were not "Home Alone!" IG and his wife babysat. He was a bit pale when we returned :rotfl: OOPS! ). We do not, as visitors, expect to be held up for no good reason other than some selfish yobs pretending to "save the planet" when their bikes and gear cost the planet plenty to produce from what we observed from the bikes and gear in use. :popcorn:

Congestion? They caused plenty. Buses were not moving as the shared bus and cycle lanes were clogged with these fools. Drivers were looking sickened - especially as they had paid a charge so as "not to be congested" :banghead: :furious:

All the taxi drivers were raadioing each other to advise that not arterial route was free of this in the West End and we were not the only theatre goers who had an evening to which they had looked forward to for weeks since booking RUINED completely :furious: I can assure you that the weekend was not cheap. I admit I rather extravagantly splashed out for first class seats on the train .. to guarantee a seat. I admit that I used an offer to stay in a 5 star hotel at a "special offer price for that weekend". I knew there was a catch .. the CM was the catch. :banghead: But I wanted to treat my wife as she works pretty darned hard- holding a demanding job and still finding time to ensure family life and our home life runs like pristine Swiss clockwork. :bow:

And we ended up more stressed out from frustration at missing the first half of the show for no decently logical reason.

No one actually dislikes cyclists around this area. Having suffered from CM in London terribly on tht weekend .. having been unable to cross a road at a pelican crossing or zebra when the CAR DRIVERS STOPPED and the cyclist were pig-ignorant - and then finding that not even the pavements were free from these pretentious yobs - I can well understand why Londoners find the "cyclists" a problem to road safety - and NOTE the inverted commas :wink: as real cyclists do not ever behave as these so-called "eco warriors" do :furious:


We do not ever wish to repeat the experience. If I want to treat Wildy to a romantic weekend in future - we will go to Paris... dine in style in the Latin Quarter.. go to their opera/ballet/theatre. We both understand spoken French and my wife's French language command is actually perfect .. unlike her English despite a Yorkshire lass as her Mama. :roll:

At a pinch - I would also consider Manchester. City and other GM areas have some fine theatres - and productions well rivalling London these days. Manchester has some decent hotels dotted around the town and its 'burbs. :popcorn: But not on a CM weekend all the same. We were supposed to attend some medical "do" and were held up in one there too,. :banghead: Again in a taxi as we knew we would sip wines with the meal. :wink:


But back to the point .. the aim is obviously to disrupt the lives of other road users. As such - it's anti-social and despite this ruling - I think police may well find ways to enforce order and negotiate some route to help them keep all traffic - including uninvolved cyclists MOVING to where they intend to go.

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if a group want to 'celebrate safe cycling' why can't they do it on the road ?


Again, who has said they can't? Have you read my initial post in it's entirety?


I HAVE. I understood it perfectly. You are suggesting the cyclists use cycle tracks and lanes accordingly. You are also suggesting that cyclists adopt a single file to allow other road users to overtake them.

You are suggesting the advice in Rule 66 of the revised Highway Code which advises cyclists to consider other road users and to rid in single file on BUSY ROADS :popcorn:

Do cyclists (sorry .. I mean LYCRA LOUTS ) read this.. or understand it? In the case of the real CYCLIST .. they do. Ed and his type are in this club of caring cyclists.


In the case of the farty lentil munching pretentious "green .. save the planet ..with the equally pretentious "designer" stubble".. they don't. :popcorn:

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If you go over to practically any cycling board you'll find plenty of dislike of critical mass by cyclists.

I joined it once to see what it was like but left after five minutes after seeing cyclists holding their bikes up over their heads and blocking junctions, just not for me.

Having said that cars block junctions every day and nobody seems to complain about that... Come to think of it, cars are always slowing me down when I'm on my cycle too...


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RobinXe wrote:
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if a group want to 'celebrate safe cycling' why can't they do it on the road ?


Again, who has said they can't? Have you read my initial post in it's entirety?


yes i have.

are they? in this case apparently not although ive no personal experience of it.

if not... why arent the police doing something about the apparently obvious infringements?


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I will hand a handwritten summons to the leader next time he stops us from attending a show we paid a lot of cash to see. :furious:]


Will you also hand out summons to all the motorists who congregate on my local roads at eight thirty in the morning and obstruct my ride to work?

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We do not ever wish to repeat the experience. If I want to treat Wildy to a romantic weekend in future - we will go to Paris... dine in style in the Latin Quarter.. go to their opera/ballet/theatre. We both understand spoken French and my wife's French language command is actually perfect .. unlike her English despite a Yorkshire lass as her Mama. :roll:


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Will you also hand out summons to all the motorists who congregate on my local roads at eight thirty in the morning and obstruct my ride to work?


Yes, it seems people in cars get to have their own version of Critical Mass every day... :twisted:


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