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A terrible tragedy altogether.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... clist.html

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an unfortunate series of events indeed.

Sadly predictable generalisations about "cyclists" though. Any excuse to have a pop at the group as a whole I suppose.

don't tempt me

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

A kot calling the pettle grey


Sorry

Interestingly this report states the woman on the bike stayed at the scene, and it seems to indicate the collision occured in the road, not on the pavement.


http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/ ... ticle.html

Weepej./.

This story hit the Swiss famlly hard


One.. Andreas (German pal) .. has a daughter. She has a permanent limp. She was aged two years when a cyclist on a shared path rode into her. Her mother was pregnant at the time. She tried to save her child. The cyclist fell against her 8 month bump. The baby within died from a head injury/.


[i] still like to argue with us that a cyclist cannot kill[//i]


I know the truth. I served enough time in A&E as a junior after all .. and a large family with a wide circle of pals will have its tragedies too.

But we did not see this as accident. We still do not. That idiot had eyes. He saw the child on her reins pull and stray. He should have eased up. There is no excuse and the German courts saw it the right way too. For that we can be thankful .. but let's be honest... German Andreas .. like Swiss Andreas .. knows the law as well each know themselves

FACT REMAINS .. WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!

A small child was seriously injured in this collision.


My sister-in-law.. Krissi... back in 2004 . December 2004. My own niece aged 5 years.

Krissi and her husband Mike... they did what all proud parents do.. found time to attend the Nativity in which their child "performs". I do not know if you have kids .. weepy.., but these occasions are part of the family treasures

Anyway .. the Dales felines.. attended the Nativity in which their youngest then aged five..played an "angel"..


(I would not describe any Swiss child as "angelic".. more devilish challenge - but hey.. I rather this than bland )

Anyway .. this child after her successful applause as a little twinkly .. skipped ahead of her parents to the family car.

As she left the school gate and headed towards her father's car .. who had just pointed his keys to open the doors.. a lycra clad lout cycled on the pavement. My niece saw him and jumped out of his way.. injuring herslelf on the school wall. She was only five years old. It took us all time and patience to get her back on a bike. She still does not trust blokes in lycra and helmets completely though

My in-law .. Krissi is fairly athletic.. she won a bronze medal in some ski competition once She was described as having of Olympian standards at the time. She did catch up.. but got kicked with a force which cracked a rib. It is then not surprising that in 2004 .. she attacked the troll who defended the idiot on a cycling forum .. with a force which gained some lasting notoriety for her on C+

BUT weepy.. if that child had not seen.. had the sense to jump out of the way (and she still bruised herself badly..) .. she would have been badly injured by a thoughless selfish lout on a bicycle


We thus see life as it is in reality.

Cyclists can maim and injure others. Do NOT ever delude yourself on this or try to tell us this is not the case when we have evidence which we see on each family/pal do with a little girl and her mother .. married to the German beagle pal called Andreas.

That child limps. His wife lost her baby and she nearly died from this trauma too.

I thus do not subscribe to the point of view that a cyclist cannot cause harm. I know I can get to some speed on my own bicycle and that I can harm someone if I do not apply the same COAST consideration as I do when I drive my car.


Do argue with me if you can., I will always reply without personal attack.. but reserve right to banter and play you like a fish I can discuss the family/friend trauma fairly objectively by the way ...


But I never ever delude myself as to dangers of cycling to others .. just as I accord safety consideration when I drive.

I think you do this sometimes. Please prove me wrong. I do want you to prove me wrong ... weepy. I do actually respect your point of view .. but I can usually trump you... prove you in error. I think I can on this one too ..

But .. someone hurt .. by a cyclist. If they fail to COAST.. they are guilty of gross negligence and failur eto accept of give way to the most vulnerable.

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DO remember .. I know what speed I can pedal too on a multi-geared modern roadie.

You are not dealing with someone easiiy fooled here

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When have I ever argued this? You must be confusing me with somebody else.

I am very aware that when I'm going 15 - 20 mph on my pushbike I am a potentially lethal moving object (same when I walk at 4mph as well).

What I have probably argued in the past, correctly, is that inattentive cyclists do not kill or injure as many as inattentive car drivers, and asked for a bit of perspective on the matter.

When I was a lad we were cycling on the roads by 10. We only used the foot paths on A roads between villages. There was not the war between cars and bikes. Also we stopped for red lights and pedestrians used the foot paths and crossing points. When one of my mates cut the wrong way round a mini roundabout to try and catch us up a local plod car chased after him on blue lights!

Now my wife has to risk losing her ballance to dodge them on the local high street, we meet them in pitch dark on the pavement with no lights. I had one crash under my front wheels because he was using the pavement so fast he could not stop when the traffic lights changed to green for me.

I have every respect for those who use the road properly. But somthing has to change.

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

As can pedestrians. The worst accident I have has whilst cycling was when I was knocked of my machine by a pedestrian who stepped of the kerb without looking She was unscathed and whilst I wasn't seriously hurt I came within a gnats wotsit of going under the wheels of a car.

Cyclists on pavements are extremely vulnerable to pedestrian action. A quick shove on their shoulder as they ride past, your walking stick accidentally caught in their front wheel...

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