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Been conducting alittle survey this week. It's been abit cold, so only more hardcore cyclists are out.

I'm calling legal cyclists ones with lights and either riding on the road like they are supposed to or on cycle paths.

Not legal is no lights, on pavement, no lights and on pavement etc.

Monday and wednesday the legal ones had the edge by a nose, but today (friday) and Thursday, oh dear oh dear. There were only a handfull of legal bicycles compared to alot of no lights and pavement riders riding accross ped-exing. When I took into account the kids the not legal bikes won by miles.

Last winter I went for an evening run, met 10 bikes on the pavement, and one of those rode into me, and one was all lit up and on the road. I stopped him and shuck his hand. Alot of these muppets should be thankfull that they are not knocked off more often.

Can the speed cams distinguish between the overtaker and the overtakee?



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When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Would be interesting to do the same survey on motor cars. A legal motorist is
> Two correctly aligned headlamps always used during darkness and bad visibility.
> Foglamps only used when visibility is seriously reduced
> Parked only in compliance with HC 238-252 i.e. not on yellow lines, pavements, cycle paths etc.
> Not driving in bus lanes.
> Not exceeding posted speed limit even on Motorways
Very few of us on this forum will meet those criteria all the time.

Cycling on the pavement is like exceeding the speed limit in a car - perfectly safe in some circumstances: antii-social and very dangerous in others. It is worth considering that much pavement cycling is a response to the aggressive behaviour of many motorists to bicyclists on the road. Children riding on the poavement are usually obeying instructions from their parents

Cycling without lights in well lit areas is foolish but only dangerous if other road users are not properly observant
Cycling without lights on unlit roads is an elaborate form of suicide.

Cycling across a pedestrian crossing is not an offence. HC 79 has this as an advisory "Do Not" rather than a mandatory "MUST NOT"

Having said all that I do think that we should have a program of compulsory training for cyclists and require us to have insurance. And there might be an argument for extending those requirements to pedestrian

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When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Had to?

Dropping back would've been a better option if the car you're overtaking decides not to let you pass wouldn't it?

Also, your words describe 80mph as the speed reached, so it sounds like the car being overtaken was already going quite fast (if you had to overtake you were on a single carriageway NSL right, max speed is 60?), so why was it being overtaken?

Ah you see I wouldn't say safe, less dangerous compared to other situations perhaps, but never safe, and never right.

err, if cycling without lights is only foolish, is it only foolish to drive without lights, after all if a road user can see a bike without lights, they will surely see a car without lights. Riding without lights is a sign that the cyclist has no interest in his/her own safety and shifted responsibility to some one else. If you are not propared to take responsibility for your self, why should anyone have to?

No, no, no, no, no. Cyclists make a lot of noise about drivers not giving them enough room and making them, as venerable road users, generally feel uncomfortable. So what do they do? That's right, they ride on the pavement and make a pedestrians feel uncomfortable. Don't make excuses for them.

That falls on the dangerous side of my dichotomy. Riding on a pavement where there are no or few pedestrians and always giving priority to those pedestrians is no more dangerous than driving at 60mph on an empty 50mph limit road.



I may be 60 but it is rather rude to point that out

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Err, yes that was a foolish comment by me.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

so is there a correlation between sensible/"legal" (i.e. lit) cyclists and suicidal/"illegal" (i.e. unlit) and the safety / legality /legitimacy of their behaviour ?

i'd expect you'd see a relatively higher level of directly illegal behaviour from the suicidal types, but perhaps not as high as you'd like/expect.
as per dbc's dichotomy i'd expect the greater difference to be in the amount of dangerous/rude behaviour observed.

not sure where anecdotal evidence leaves is really.... apart from (as usual) needing enforcement that targets the dangerous behaviours whilst allowing for common sense.

i'm sure i could conduct a survey on BMW drivers and come up with some conclusions

This was a motorway.. cars passing in L3 .. and one behind her. Dropping back was not an option. By the way .. the idiot had a trailer .. he was ILLEGAL as he was accelerating to above 70 mph in any case.


Cars in L2 had to get to 80 mph at this stage. Oh ,.. and the convoy of these retards with caravans were all illegal and offered no refuge if one did drop back.


How do I know? I was two cars behind and had to resort to same differential to pass and then re-enter L1 with a safe three second margin to those fools..


We were NOT on a single .. but on the M6 in high season .. but still with a free flowing traffic volume.. about mile/half from our exit to home. We were being passed in excess of 80 mph here in L3. Those fools deliberately tried to block a legal pass on this occasion. The lead tower drove a top of range 4x4 and a lightish tow .. whereas the others had proper caravans but seemed adamant not to give a bit of space all the same. :banghhead: Thus .. a short blast past which lasted less than a second and killed no child nor animal .. was by far the SAFEST option here.

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No. But I was at 78 /79 mph on lightest press of pedla in toppest feline of a car .. .. from a very legal 68 mph .. because this fool decide to try an "elephant race" on me just as my rear door pass his front door. He was the illegal one .. as he not supposed to be above 60 mph if towing something. It was deliberate. A convoy of these beige cardigan wearing .. who eat try to eat overcooked peas by stabblng each one with a fork.. und are right sad used wet wipes.





My husband will protect me with his own life. He ist one chivalrous type .. but I still getting him gelded like a horse /. but without painkiller to assist for his Christmas present Grrrrrrrrrrr! Und you may say it take two to dance on hot tin roof on a right wild feline interlude .. but he was supposed to be careful driver here.


By the way .. we live in outer rural area. About two mile from main road .. our own land

Und Mad Doc has not killed anyone .. nor have I. We are each in medical profession. Also .. he one careful driver .. courteous .. trained to drive on a green light. I give birth in speedy mattered style when it time .. but with Lukas there were a couple of problems when I gave birth in the kitchen und lost much blood at the time. I am classed as high risk as result of that und the accident which was not my fault. He was taken ill und hit accelerator .. he kept on increasing speed in death throes of stroke/cardia arrest .. und I was the last car in the queue which he hit hard.


There a big difference in what cause accident und what does not cause an accident.

By the way .. he hit at 80 mph und I still alive here .. but admittedly after some bad moments initially.

Last time .. with Rachael .. I growled at him to put his ruddy foot down as she almost arrive in car. (which may explain why she only settle down even at age 4 years now after a night drive )

We had police escort on last half mile as MadDoc had phoned for meet up und planned route before we set off. She was early.. I usually "go for it" about three week early each time I not know why.. but my Oma also experienced this early delivery with all 10 of her brood.

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Not in this case. I was overtaking what appeared to be a convoy of caravans .. on M6. I was at 68 mph ... the first two were legal .. about 63 mph based on the time it took to pass them at such differerential. The lead one must have seen me .. he start to accelerate a little. By the time I draw level .. we are in "elpehat race risk" as he match my speed as my rear offide wing draw level with his front nearside door.


I have cars in L3 passing me. I had cars approaching to pass me in L3. I had one car immediately behind.. und one behind that one.. which happened to be driven by the Mad Doc as we had by some "actually relatively often" chance met up on our homeward bound trek.

I thus could not drop back as to do so would not be safe. I had a gap in L1 opening up ahead which would lead me into L1 with a three second courtesy margin .. which would also allow the cars behind access backto L1 with the same margin .. if we all hit 78-80 mph for these three seconds. It diffused a danger which that fool could have caused there. We were about mile/half or so from our exit.




It was being overtaken because it was in a convoy in L1 which was originally around 60 mph on a MOTORWAY which has a 70 mph limit. L2 traffic was cruising normally at a legal 70 mph indication. As said .. he started to accelerate hard for no apparent reason.. reaching an ILLEGAL for him 70 mph as I was completing a safe legal overtake at a completely legal speed.

To fall back would have meant shaving down to 50 mph if I were to allow an even more illegal undertake by those towing vehicles und drop in behind them.

It was thus the safest option to accelerate up to clear this overtake poperly as it was more or less complete und then ease off with a courteous three second margin of space ahead of him.

To do otherwise could have caused an accident under this particular traffic situation .. with the overtakee trying to do more than one illegal as in

1. driving above 70 mph when his legal limit was 60 mph (since you seem so keen to suggest my acceleration out of danger was wrong.. und had I stayed at 70 mph when passing a towing vehicle with other towing vehicles about two/half seconds now behind him would have actually been a lot MORE dangerous to all on M6 at the time )

2. Attempting to block a legal overtake for no apparent reason .. but he did wear a hat .. und looked like Mr Magoo in feature. He probably finds emptying chemical loos as pleasurable as the lady on the Top Gear caravan adventure. that time.


3. Attempting an undertake when there was no logical need as this was free flowing traffic .. with zero queues nor any road work etc.


4. He had the same muppetty moronic outlook as the daft old biddy who drove at 10 mph on a motorway once und got banned for inconsiderately dangerous behaviour..which all but one BRAKE zealot supported (Person now ex BRAKE by the way .. as even BRAKE ist not that daft und their "seniors" wisely distanced from such a fool ) .

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Uh?
So by the same token, if I swing at you with a baseball bat you would blame yourself for not ducking

Whatever happened to responsibily of all parties, including pedestrians?

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

I think my Heimat (home land) has it right. All are responsible for own safety. We find kids for jay-walking .. causing accident .. after all. We are tolerant .. but not of the same politically correct ilk as lentil munching anoraks who wear "Jesus sandals" on British soil


I think you may look to Switzerland as model of fair sense .. where you once looked up to UK before the idiots fooled all there.


Weepy happen to belong to the normal .. law abiding type .. which represent all here .. even though we play "devil's advocate" or rever to type as in "rightr rebels " at times.

I think he the caring most decent type.. in reality

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Ich setze mich immer wieder in die Nesseln! Der Mad Doc ist mein Mann! Und ich benutzte seinen PC!

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Fine me for Safe Speed
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Greatest love & Greatest Achievements Require Greatest Risk
But if you lose the driving plan - don't lose the COAST lesson.
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Je ne regrette rien!

But that doesn't matter, I clipped the ped, I came off my bike, not something that's advisable, so the best thing to do is not clip peds no matter how often they step out into the road without looking properly.

I guess you dont live round SW Surrey cos I've never seen you!

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