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Today's Gruaniad has proved to be an excellent edition today. :shock: Lots of good stuff.. but then it's BIKE WEEK time again :lol:

I do not know if the padded pants will get Paul on a bike :hehe: ..

This piece is by Jon Snow .. the new CTC president who's hoping his leadership will provide the necessary "swingometer" towards providing faciclities and meaningful cycle lanes and routes .. not the ones we currently dread to use :wink:


His article does reflect Mad Doc's "My Way Code" extract :yikes:

http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/gui ... 85,00.html

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Ministers are leaving us city cyclists dangerously exposed


Embattled pedaller Jon Snow asks why urban commuter routes aren't getting any safer

Saturday March 3, 2007
The Guardian


I was cycling away from work the other night, minding my own business, when a grey Ford swerved right across my handlebars and drove me into the array of parked cars on my left. I caught up with the machine and brought the full force of my gloved fist to bear on its boot. I got alongside him only to glimpse the words "Metropolitan Police" in blue along the side of the car.

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The police woman on the passenger side angrily asked what on earth I thought I was doing assaulting a police car. "What on earth were you doing driving like a maniac?" I asked. "And you, police, too." As she fished out her notepad to book me, the male driver suddenly said, "Look I saw you, dunno what happened, I'm very sorry."
"Drive on," I commanded, and they did.

All in all, it was a bad week. On Tuesday a heavy eight-wheeler lorry turned left across my green- painted cycle lane. On Wednesday a silver BMW did the same thing. In essence I have concluded that one is nearly killed on a bike, whether one knows it or not, three or four times a week.

What makes life the more dangerous are these ludicrous green-painted cycle lanes on city roads. They are not even an apology for a bike lane. They delude the cyclist into a sense of secure wellbeing when in fact they are setting the cyclist up for slaughter. They are parked in, motorcycled in and ignored by motorised traffic. Their message is clear. Scrap the paint and put in full-blown two-way cycling lanes separated from both pedestrian and car by substantial curbs.

And there's the rub, because in the government's integrated transport policy, bicycles effectively have no place. What cynicism allows new rolling stock on to the railways with either little or no cycle provision at all?

The government thinks that with the Lottery funding the admirable Sustrans National Cycle Network, they have done their bit for cycling. But in truth Sustrans is what it is, a mainly recreational, regenerative exercise that has made it possible for families and individuals to cycle safely across the British countryside. To a much lesser extent has Sustrans provided commuter routes, and only rarely any inner-city infrastructure. Some local authorities have scraped money from here and there to build small stretches of separated cycle way. But as a rule, the government has effectively given urban cycling no priority whatsoever in its thinking.

Yet in introducing the congestion charge, Ken Livingstone's London team discovered that only 15% of Londoners drive into central London. Why then are these 15% allowed to jam up our streets with parked cars? To remove parked cars from one side of the road would liberate space to build separated cycle ways. The car, the bicycle and the pedestrian do not mix naturally. Each has the potential, quite literally, to kill the other.

Nowhere is the war against the carbon footprint more important than in the inner city. In ignoring the need to build major cycle infrastructure, ministers are turning their backs on one of the more obvious solutions to both transport safety and global warming.

Should ministers carry on disregarding the obvious, then if you are a cyclist, sooner or later that eight-wheeler, that BMW - even that police car - is going to get you, and me.

· Jon Snow is a patron of Sustrans and president of CTC


Pothole power!

Fill That Hole is the latest interactive initiative of CTC, the national cyclists' organisation. The idea is to make urban cycling less treacherous by forcing local councils to address the fact that potholes and road defects are behind 12% of compensation claims from CTC members.

By visiting www.fillthathole.org.uk, you can pinpoint the pothole that you find most annoying/painful, using Google maps to expose its exact location. CTC will then let your local council (which has a duty to fix potholes) know about the problem. So before long, that irritating hole on your way to work should be filled in and forgotten.


Pedalling to work incentives

National

Cycle to work scheme
Part of the government's green transport plan to encourage staff to cycle to work, this scheme allows an employer to loan bicycles and safety equipment to employees as a tax-free benefit. Your employer signs up to the scheme, you choose a bike from an approved supplier and your employer buys it for you and reclaims the VAT. You then take a "salary sacrifice" in return for the tax-free bike, which is yours to enjoy provided 50% of your mileage is work related.

Because your salary is reduced, you'll save on tax and national insurance and, after 36 months, you have the option of buying the bike outright at a fair market price.
www.cyclescheme.co.uk

Cyclist breakfasts
This scheme enables employers to provide up to six free breakfasts a year for employees who cycle to work. All the company has to do is arrange a "cycle to work" day in order to claim tax-exempt coffee and croissants for all.
www.ctc.org.uk

Free bike stands
Dreamed up by Life Cycle UK, the Take a Stand scheme enables companies to claim free bike stands, provided they draw up an approved travel plan that encourages staff to leave their cars at home.
www.lifecycleuk.org.uk

Regional

Bike buddy
Leeds city council has a great scheme to make your cycle to work less lonely. A "bike buddy" will offer support and maintenance tips and help you devise the safest and quickest route to work. Click on Transport and Streets at www.leeds.gov.uk.

There is also a national version of this idea at bikebudi.com (part of the Liftshare network).

Bikes for business
Piloted by businesses in Southwark in 2005, the Transport for London bike pool scheme enables companies to set up a central bike pool for their employees to use on work-related journeys.
www.tfl.gov.uk/cycles



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But if you want a peak at totally illogical responses from cyclists :roll:

http://bikereader.com/forum/index.php?topic=30137.30



Now we have CTC (the one puffing out all the methane against Jon Snow by the way) moaning about proposals to allow cars with passengers to share the bus lanes as HOVs... as this means cyclists have to share these lanes with cars - supported by all the cycling rags. Then they moan if the CTC president suggests building decent ones. :? Even to wanting to hound him out of office. :?


The article is so good that I will re-quote and address what he is actually saying in the context.





This morning.. at 8 am - ish .. had my cycling work out and "feel good fix". I cycled to the shops and bought my morning papers and picked up my car and cycling mags.. then settled down to post up the Grauniad as "excellently informative" on many issues today .. had a brunch meal
and we are going out again for a bike ride soon as a family as it's quite an OK day here weatehr wise.


But these keyboard cyclists . are just that keyboard "cyclists" who are not riders as they are on line more or less 24/7. You cannot do big rides if you are on a keyboard - not work related but pleasure and leisure in a chat room. Big rides require stamina .. and you achieve that in TRAINING regularly. :wink:

But these people live more or less permanently on two internet fora as posters and lurk on this site too. I cannot see how they can be riding if they are doing this. Mind you there are spinning machines and there are "spinning machines" :wink:

Ooohhh! An oblique "dig"... :bunker:


But let's just look at what Jon Snow is really saying here


After his understandable rant at the numpty who drives in London and who no doubt thinks he "owns the road as he paid £12 extra for the privilege" :roll: ... he then tries to look at the other hazard which those kind "council people with an eye for detail regarding "government targets" but not much in the finer detail of "common sense" decided to paint up in cheap token short sighted blinkered lip serevice to "road safety" :furious:


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What makes life the more dangerous are these ludicrous green-painted cycle lanes on city roads. They are not even an apology for a bike lane. They delude the cyclist into a sense of secure wellbeing when in fact they are setting the cyclist up for slaughter. They are parked in, motorcycled in and ignored by motorised traffic. Their message is clear. Scrap the paint and put in full-blown two-way cycling lanes separated from both pedestrian and car by substantial curbs.




Basically, he is saying that if we want a cycle lane .. then we want proper ones like they have in Holland, Denmark, Germany, Switzerland, France and other "beacon countries of excellent facilities"

He is pointing out that a bit of peppermint tarmac leading to nowhere does not constitute a "cycling facility". Better to do the job properly then or not at all. :wink:


Well.. :scratchchin: most folk of average intelligence would not see anything "anti cycling" in the above quote. Only the unbelievably stupid would find "offence where there is none" But then .. I suppose if the cycling gear fits :roll:


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And there's the rub, because in the government's integrated transport policy, bicycles effectively have no place. What cynicism allows new rolling stock on to the railways with either little or no cycle provision at all?

The government thinks that with the Lottery funding the admirable Sustrans National Cycle Network, they have done their bit for cycling. But in truth Sustrans is what it is, a mainly recreational, regenerative exercise that has made it possible for families and individuals to cycle safely across the British countryside. To a much lesser extent has Sustrans provided commuter routes, and only rarely any inner-city infrastructure. Some local authorities have scraped money from here and there to build small stretches of separated cycle way. But as a rule, the government has effectively given urban cycling no priority whatsoever in its thinking.




Nope .. nothing "anti-cycling there either. Just a comment regarding the blatant lip-service of this government and failure to implement and enforce any cohesive and workable road safety and congestion policy. :furious:


Jon Snow rightly points out that the rail network in the UK seems oblivious to road users who choose and prefer to use a bicycle. In the EU.. I can and have taken our family bikes on the trains and hopped on and off for some R&R and blissful touring. Here? I have to load the bikes onto the bike rack and fix this to the car and then drive the family out if we wish to make an excursion or bike ride with any of the relatives dotted around the UK. :roll: If we could .. we would use the train more for this. :roll: We simply do not invest or plan properly and Jon is passing comment on this woefully inept transport policy which helps no one traveller, commuter or foreign tourist to travel.. free-flowing and safely - making use of all modes of transport as and when. appropriate.

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Yet in introducing the congestion charge, Ken Livingstone's London team discovered that only 15% of Londoners drive into central London. Why then are these 15% allowed to jam up our streets with parked cars? To remove parked cars from one side of the road would liberate space to build separated cycle ways. The car, the bicycle and the pedestrian do not mix naturally. Each has the potential, quite literally, to kill the other.





Yep .. we need better Park & Ride facilities
But Jon.. (assuming as CTC president - you lurk or are advised about the rebellious "riff raff" goings on over in in the safety of the safespeed snug and gentlefolk 's club if we promoted more COAST ,Bikeability coiurse, and nagged the Green Cross Code as much as we used to .. then perhaps we might just live together without nearly killing each other on those roads out there. :wink) We cannot wave a wand and magic up these lanes.. but when we redevelop and re-engineer some areas completely.. then we need to at least incorporate better and more meaningful facilities.

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Nowhere is the war against the carbon footprint more important than in the inner city. In ignoring the need to build major cycle infrastructure, ministers are turning their backs on one of the more obvious solutions to both transport safety and global warming.

Should ministers carry on disregarding the obvious, then if you are a cyclist, sooner or later that eight-wheeler, that BMW - even that police car - is going to get you, and me.



Ah.. but Bristol University professor tells me in a report that I produce as much CO 2 as a car during my daily work-out. :wink: So perhaps instead of building houses to meet some other target.. perhaps we should be encouraging more green belt and parks (with cycling facilties running through these parks - fully away from cars and people as abroad) to flourish on our CO2 and produce more oxygen :wink:

But nothing wrong at all in asking for better facilities instead of the pretend tarmac which is the case at present.

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The problem is, that Jon Snow was highlighting what had happened to him that week, and making out that "almost being killed 3 or 4 times a week" was a regular occurence. The inference being that cycling is a hazardous thing. His solution is to have segregated cycle paths.

Realistically, no council or Government is going to go to that expense - and let's be practical here, it just wouldn't be feasible in London or any existing conurbation.

Far better to have better education all round, of all road users.


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Flying Dodo wrote:
The problem is, that Jon Snow was highlighting what had happened to him that week, and making out that "almost being killed 3 or 4 times a week" was a regular occurence. The inference being that cycling is a hazardous thing. His solution is to have segregated cycle paths.

Realistically, no council or Government is going to go to that expense - and let's be practical here, it just wouldn't be feasible in London or any existing conurbation.

Far better to have better education all round, of all road users.


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It is what we all want.

Not sure Jon was saying necessarily that cycling is "dangerous per se" ,.. more trying to inform those drivers who gave up driving at age 16-ish .. or who never rode a bike after age 11.. even :roll: And Dodo .. they do exist.. believe me.. this type does exist // that they must consider cyclists when driving their turbo-powered automobiles ..

I think where we clash .. is where we hit reality head on here. We do not live in "cyclotopia".. but the real world. Hardy Northerners are very blunt .. and perhaps too blunt at times for the soft southerners :wink: :bunker:

But for all that .. I am locking antlers over seriously daft token cycle lanes here.. which only confuse everyone :banghead: It was safer before this peppermint paint. :furious:

Where properly engineered a godsend and worthy of plaudits.. but we count these on one finger. :roll: We just want more decent routes , better engineering which does not compromise adversely any road user. however they choose to travel.

And.. as you rightly say a proper education for all programme

Dodo.. we have posted up the marking scheme from an official Speed Aware course ..which is similar to DIS. It marks on C O A S T criteria. It is " official" COAST is "offically recognised" on this basis. Franklin describes it. Dr Walker of Bath describes it. Neither spell COAST .. granted .. but it's still there -but "longwinded" :wink:

I think then we are right to keep on banging our key boards about it. :wink: It will and has saved lives. I do not find fault with Lancs Speed Aware course. I did, in a collective rant with the Swiss riff raff, question the logic of a 35 mph cut off. I think they listened as they did concede many points .. by widening the margins and scopes for invitees. :wink:

We think this helped stem "resentments" and progressed safety. Lancs problem now revolves more around drink, drugs and engineering per an FOI - which a pal has and which I will post up some time when I get round to scanning the many pages relating. :roll: I think the local press have got hold of this same FOI somehow :wink: Cannot think who informed :wink:


I guess I am convinced over IG' and the :Lancs/Staffs COAST approach. :wink: It does work by the way. :wink: I suppose I am a bit lucky in that IG did observe my driving many years agos - and point out the flaws - which I improved to his satisfaction :lol: I will say that I do drive him to the airport when he goes on his hols. I will say that this guy notices everything and it's like :yikes: being in test conditions with him :yikes:

Dodo .. we want better training . and we also signed up to a petition which begged for tougher sentences for the hard core idiots out there. We may have signed up anti-road pricing and scamera .. but would be there in a flash to sign up for better cycling provision and better training for all. :wink:

Please believe that not one person here disrespects a cyclist. We all want proper road safety.

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The problem is, when someone with as public a profile as Jon Snow, writes:

"In essence I have concluded that one is nearly killed on a bike, whether one knows it or not, three or four times a week.

What makes life the more dangerous are these ludicrous green-painted cycle lanes on city roads. They are not even an apology for a bike lane. They delude the cyclist into a sense of secure wellbeing when in fact they are setting the cyclist up for slaughter. They are parked in, motorcycled in and ignored by motorised traffic. Their message is clear. Scrap the paint and put in full-blown two-way cycling lanes separated from both pedestrian and car by substantial curbs."


A certain number of people will have read that and be put off cycling on roads. In addition, the creation of more segregated cycle paths will then increase the calls of motorists to road cyclists like us to "get off the road and onto the cycle path where you belong" - which happens occassionally now. That's what seriously worries me about Jon Snow's pontifications, and as a CTC member, I think it's wrong for someone in his position as CTC President to be saying the answer is segregated lanes.

Roads were around before cars were invented, and will still be there once the oil runs out. :twisted:


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Ach Liebchen ... :)


Flying Dodo wrote:
The problem is, when someone with as public a profile as Jon Snow, writes:

"In essence I have concluded that one is nearly killed on a bike, whether one knows it or not, three or four times a week.

What makes life the more dangerous are these ludicrous green-painted cycle lanes on city roads. They are not even an apology for a bike lane. They delude the cyclist into a sense of secure wellbeing when in fact they are setting the cyclist up for slaughter. They are parked in, motorcycled in and ignored by motorised traffic. Their message is clear. Scrap the paint and put in full-blown two-way cycling lanes separated from both pedestrian and car by substantial curbs."



But we have many a segregated cycling lane on continent which some hail as "cyclotopia" :wink:

He ist mentioning the danger if not "alert" on each road user side. But you know we try to get people a bit more COAST aware. Ist a fairly good message to all the lurks und browsers - especially those hitting this site in anger over a ping. :wink: Sympathetic .. yet trying to improve skills before too late :wink:

Basically though .. we do not need peppermint tarmac und hatchings narrowing the roads. This ist very much part of congestion, road raging und other problems. Central hatching appear to cause problems as many a driver will not put wheel into those .. but will pass too close to the rider in his bike lane or even have wheel in this bike lane if someone on-coming decide to use hatch to give biker room on his side of the road - when we all know that if you cannot pass .. slow to keep safety margin und not scare the rider .. und then pass when safe to do so und with decent SPACE (S und T of COAST :wink) (und why this should be hub of catchy safety message up with "Clunk Click" :wink:) b


Keep these roads to the old style width und there ist room for everyone to use safely.


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A certain number of people will have read that and be put off cycling on roads. In addition, the creation of more segregated cycle paths will then increase the calls of motorists to road cyclists like us to "get off the road and onto the cycle path where you belong" - which happens occassionally now. That's what seriously worries me about Jon Snow's pontifications, and as a CTC member, I think it's wrong for someone in his position as CTC President to be saying the answer is segregated lanes.




But the segrated lanes do no put off the "continentals" :wink: Cycling ist "big" over there. We also use the roads as well :hehe: as cycle lanes are not quite everywhere.. but overall the facilities are much better. They still have a lot of accidents .. but cyclists seem not to suffer same as the stats suggest for UK.


Und more bums are in those saddles too.. with more children riding to school or using combination of tram und bicycle. :wink: (on their own.. so they learn independence und become more road wise und worthy too :lol:)

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Roads were around before cars were invented, and will still be there once the oil runs out. :twisted:


So were horses :hehe: :P before bicycles :P


But no worries for motor car..they research other ways to keep our beauties on the road at decent rate of revs :twisted: :P

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Ach Liebchen ... :)


So were horses :hehe: :P before bicycles :P



Oh yes - I enjoy seeing you ladies out on your horses. :wink:

And I always go wide & slow.


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I agree segregated lanes are much more common on the continent, but again, due to the culture, there's no objection if you decide you want to cycle on the road instead.

In addition, the actual design of any lanes over there will be far better. Here, as with most cycle paths, they'll run along a bit and then just end, or dump you on a roundabout. In addition, with side road junctions, you'll be expected to stop. That's why I'll cycle on the road - it's faster.

If I want to pottle slowly in the countryside I'll do so, but if I'm in a town, and going from A to B then I want to use the road network.


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