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Hi, I'm new here, and this site looks invaluable. Please forgive me if this question has been asked many times before - I've done a search but can't find the answer. Can anyone advise?

I was travelling on a 30 road, thinking it was a 40 limit. I didn't know the area and it was pitch black with no street lighting. Anyway, no excuses, if it was 30, it was 30. I had a double-flash from a speed camera, and felt sick. That was the Saturday night of 15th September. I've not yet received a NIP.

At first, I was thinking that once I'd gone past 14 days, I might be ok, but now I'm worried that the NIP might have got lost in the post. Either that, or maybe I'm not going to get one?

Does anyone know if NIPs are sent by recorded/registered post? I'd really rather get something so that, if sent too late, I can try to do something about it - rather than them coming back to me in a month's time asking why I haven't completed a NIP form or whatever "they" do.

Any advice gratefully received, and sorry once again if this has been asked loads of times before.

Hi, by the way

Some fixed cameras mis-fire. It is very disconcerting.
I think as 14 days have passed you are safe. They are usually sent first class post. should one arrive keep the envelope as proof of late postage etc.

The nip should be posted by day 12 to be received by day 14. However if you stood up in court and swore that it was not delivered till later than day 14 the court would be (in theory) bound to dismiss the speeding charge?? section 172 charge??
you would need to clarify this and go armed with all the legislation.

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Many thanks for the reply, anton. I'm opening my front door every evening and keeping my fingers crossed! Cheers

Civvy, are you the registered owner of the vehicle? If not (Co car, lease etc) then the 14 day rule does not apply. (Well it does, but not to you)

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Was the signage for the speed limit adequate?

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Especially since he says "it was pitch black with no street lighting" which suggests that repeaters would be necessary.

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Yep, I am the registered owner, and my address details haven't changed recently, etc.



Well, for me it wasn't adequate as I didn't note which maximum limit applied. However, I'm not sure whether that suggests it wasn't adequate for anyone else. I've never been along that particular stretch before - (it's the other end of the country) and I have to say, I was concentrating on the twists and turns in the road as I'd just come out of a wide country lane with a few twists and turns. I couldn't even tell I'd come out of it as there was no street lighting. Sorry, I'm waffling

Don't they say that the way to tell if a road is 30mph is to count the street lights? If no street lights, how could you tell if it was 30mph, 40, 50 or NSL?

Especially if there were no repeaters and you drove from one road into another?

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It's simple*.
From a driver's point of view if a speed limit is in place on a road it will have a pair of terminal signs and repeater signs at 'regular intervals'.
If there are no repeater signs in sight then, for a general purpose road, if there are street lights you can assume it is a 'restricted road' which means . If there are no street lights then it's NSL which is for single carriageways or for dual carriageways. For motorways (motorway special roads) it's regardless of street lights or number of carriageways. Non-motorway special roads don't appear to have any general speed limit, but usually (if not always) have one applied separately. They are also very rare.

That's only for cars and motorcycles. Goods vehicles, HGVs, vehicles towing are all have lower limits. (except presumably for the non-motorway special roads)

, , (and on dual carriageways) limits always have to be signed.

At least I think that's how it works.

* If you find, say, rocket science simple.

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Andrew.

Can someone also confirm whether or not a 30 limit can be in place in effect
on an unlit road with lit 30 repeaters, or only on a correctly lit road ( lamps above a set height and 183m/200yds apart)?

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If you are talking about a road with no street lights, but with terminal and repeater signs then yes.

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Andrew.

But if the road is unlit, there is no requirement for either terminal signs or repeaters to be lit either.

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Well, I still haven't heard anything, and the flash happened on 15th September. So I'm still keeping my fingers crossed I guess I'm not out of the woods though?