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I see the new cameras will take our photos to eliminate the 'wasn't me' excuse (usually only adopted by high ranking police officers and footballers/celebrities).
Why don't we show the powers that be the power that we have, but are, reluctant to show because we are fundamentally good folk.
I noticed while driving through Bolton the other week that there are a lot of Girls taking driving lessons whilst wearing their burkas.
Perhaps we should all wear ski masks for a suitable period of time while covering our number plates at the same time. Maybe the message would get across that we do still have a little weapon in our arsenal against the technological atom bomb with which we are faced.

I think I'll have plastic surgery so I resemble a famous footballer

You'll need elocution lessons as well with that accent JtB!?!. I think I'm in the wrong section. Can I have my L-plates back.

The L plate was there for your first 10 posts. It was a flag to let others know you were new on board and to go gentle if you stepped on toes.

However, you seem to have found your feet and need no such shield.

Welcome along.

Oh - this topic is also being discussed elsewhere - see http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7266

Of course we could just stick to the limit!!

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Why not put on speed limiters we have the technology only idiots break the speed limit

Are you sure about that? After 14 years of cameras, £800,000,000 in fines, and around 15 million convictions, speeding behaviour is more-or-less unchanged.

So the indications are that we (national we) literally CAN'T.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

...and plow through groups of children, the disabled & pregnant women because "It's OK. I was sticking to the limit".

'WE' the REAL sensible majority, drive to the conditions, and well within our own & our vehicles capabilities......you can stick to the limit if you want.

I'm gobsmacked that 'it' ie. TSM is still here after spouting so much crap for so long. Final Warning or not.

you are back are you, i have not posted for a while due to the sheer spoiling of threads that yourself and blinging lingcars tended to achieve

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If you cannot stick to the limit pay the price, it's that simple.

If you shop lift you pay the price.
If you murder you pay the price .
if you damage property you pay the price.

You are in charge of the car its your foot on the gas: driving is a privalage not a right,

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Why not put on speed limiters we have the technology only idiots break the speed limit

as for still been here, my great grandfather Grandfather and myself have all a history of fighting for democracy, If you don't want to listen to the inane ramblings of some-one who drives daily in all conditions sometimes under stressful conditions and has only 3 points in twenty years then dont read.
thats the democracy of the internet.


By the way speedsters get 3 warnings before a ban for the 4th offence, then a chance to grovel and ple to the magestrate and then a time defined ban, for contraviening VERY CLEARLY DEFINED rules.
Can some-one spell out how long the "final warning" is here for.

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Why not put on speed limiters we have the technology only idiots break the speed limit

so are you saying that every limit on the road is correct, because i do not, outside lane of motorways / long duals should be 80mph at least,

some 30 mph areas i work in should be 20, others maybe 40mph, but as you say the limit is the limit, i work the later areas do what i do (if i remember to put the tape in)

silly question but if you shoplift how can you pay the price for it as well or is it BOGOF

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With the possible exception of damage to property (which covers a multitude of categories) the other examples are all both premeditated and with a victim. speeding is not (usually) a premeditated crime, nor does it have a victim.

There's hope for you yet laddie!



No, but at least the 'majority' of us can spell



So as a family you have a history, presumably, of fighting against laws that you believe to be unjust?

Did you fight them by rigidly adhering to them, whether you agreed with them or not?

Okay, well, if you shop lift as a first offence you probably get told, 'Oh dear sonny boy, don't do it again' and get a caution (maybe)

If you murder you'll probably go to jail, but why are you comparing a driving offence with murder?

If you damage property, depending on how bad, you might just end up with a caution...

Speed cameras only cover a tiny amount of ground compared to what a traffic cop could, so people can still speed in the 99.99% of roads not covered by a camera and not really risk a fine/points...

I still find it awfully hard to believe that you never ever ever break the speed limit even slightly... Even my gran breaks it at times, and she's a 'slow' driver.

Anyway, this point has been made a lot of times before, and I shall make it again, a speed camera cannot pick out more serious driving errors, as, being honest, and if you're honest with yourself, you'll probably consider breaking the speed limit by a few mph to be a fairly minor 'error'... Okay maybe not, but the majority of drivers would consider it to be a minor error.

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Mike

I have No points in 40 Years so must be a better Driver than you also passed both car and bike tests first time na na na!

cant be banned if it affects your liveliehood (ie work for you thickos!), see
this! RE Magna Carta 1215

(20) For a trivial offence, a free man shall be fined only in proportion to the degree of his offence, and for a serious offence correspondingly, but not so heavily as to deprive him of his livelihood. In the same way, a merchant shall be spared his merchandise, and a husbandman the implements of his husbandry, if they fall upon the mercy of a royal court. None of these fines shall be imposed except by the assessment on oath of reputable men of the Neighbourhood

are you thick or something or think you are above the Law?

Vive the Revolution!

Doesn't apply in good ol' Scotland. Driving job or not - tough luck. I know a few guys who fell into this category. One for speeding and the other that had an illegal blood alcohol level - both of which lost license, then car, then job.

Putting the breaking the law by speeding argument to one side for a minute ... I have NO problem whatsoever with someone being banned for high alcohol level in the bloodstream. 80mg is already high enough.

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

When <2% of drivers are drunk yet >20% of crashes involve drunks we know for sure that drunk driving is a real risk factor.

I do worry that some 80mg/ml people aren't drunk though. This might apply to 'morning after' folk and might apply to those with a very high alcohol tolerance. I'd be happier if we had a sobriety test before we measured blood alcohol. (Personal opinion only / not a Safe Speed campaigning issue.)

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Neither do I!!! And in NO way was I inferring otherwise!
Was simply stating I knew of a couple of guys that losts jobs as a result of being banned - the reason they were banned was for the most part irrelevant.

Agreed, and even at the other end of the scale I know a couple of women who rarely drink & who get quite tipsy with under a glass of wine. LEGALLY they could drive, but SHOULD they.